Thank you. If I got it correctly, it will be possible to use BÖBs C API from parallel threads without being afraid something will break up. That's neat and I'll look forward to testing first alpha versions in a few years :).
2013/12/16 Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]> > On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 06:25:54 +0100 Thanatermesis < > [email protected]> > said: > > > > slight problem is that in the process of ensuring edje does > > > its job, the over-engineering made it look like something different, > and > > that > > > is where suddenly it looks bad because people use it as "something > > different" > > > then find all the creaky edge cases. > > > > Can you tell me which "creaky edge cases" ? I never found edge bad > designed > > or anything wrong at all on it, im talking of course about the edge that > I > > met a good number of years ago but i assume that we still having the same > > one, just more improved :) > > > > For what something different people wanted to use it ? > > i have seen many people propose edje as the solution to glade - as a > complete > ui builder solution. i've seen them expect it to do things that elm boxes, > tables etc. etc. do and do it completely. it's very hard to do synamic > layouts > (lists etc.) purely in edje. it's designed mostly around an element with a > fixed number of things (labels, etc.) and a fixed known number of states. > > > > bob is accepting that reality and trying to make something closer to > what > > > people have expected edje to be. > > > > And what expects people edje to be ? > > above. they expect it to be a replacement for glade and/or qml etc. etc. > > > 2013/12/16 Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]> > > > > > On Sun, 15 Dec 2013 17:48:37 +0100 dumblob <[email protected]> said: > > > > > > bob would not be bob if it was not tied to a single specific language. > lua > > > (via > > > luajit) is at least the target we think is best. basically instead of > > > implementing stuff with edc to design ui elements, you use lua to do > the > > > same. > > > lua is a data file. it is what implements the abstraction. the idea is > > > that bob > > > COMES with a small mountain of pre-made lua "bobjects" that already > work > > > (and > > > build on top of each-other via inheritance or other mechanisms). > > > > > > the other side of bob is a c library with c apis. just like efl is > today. > > > no > > > different. you expose state/data to bob from the c side (and bob can > expose > > > data/state back to you). bob (the c library) handles the infra for > this - > > > threading infra too, mainloop integration, sandboxing etc. etc. > > > > > > bob is fundamentally no different to edje in the very high level > design. > > > the > > > difference is what is under the covers. how state is held/handled. how > > > state/data is exchanged/shared, how data is implemented (edc + embryo > lua > > > atm > > > and bob would just be plain luajit with the above infra). bob is a > result > > > of > > > lessons learned from edje over the years. > > > > > > edje was designed as nothing more than a "smart png with layers". eg a > psd > > > or > > > xcf file really. a png that can resize intelligently (not just > stretch) as > > > well > > > as throw in some simple states of that image (normal, activated, > disabled) > > > and > > > some transitions. that was edje's design goal and intent. > > > > > > of course it was over-engineered for the job to ensure it covers that > job > > > as > > > fully as it can. slight problem is that in the process of ensuring edje > > > does > > > its job, the over-engineering made it look like something different, > and > > > that > > > is where suddenly it looks bad because people use it as "something > > > different" > > > then find all the creaky edge cases. > > > > > > bob is accepting that reality and trying to make something closer to > what > > > people have expected edje to be. > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I've recently come across https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/bob/ and > I > > > > wonder if BÖB is going to be usable in other programming languages > than > > > Lua > > > > (e.g. pure C without Lua, in Google Gos gorutines mapped to real > threads, > > > > in pthreads generally etc.). It seems, the implementation will be > tightly > > > > coupled with Lua and some specific form of IPC while abandoning > simple > > > > interface for external bindings to languages with built-in > parallelism. > > > I'm > > > > afraid it will not be possible to make e.g. such bindings for Dao ( > > > > http://daovm.net/) which would support the DaoVM parallel > > > threads/tasklets. > > > > > > > > In other words, I'm not sure, if all "public" methods/functions of > the > > > BÖB > > > > API will be thread-safe and fully independent from Lua. Maybe I'm > wrong > > > > about the goal of EFL 2.0, but I think, tightly coupling only with > Lua > > > will > > > > certainly limit the utilization of these great libraries. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have some more accurate and detailed information? > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > -- Jan Pacner > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most > IT > > > > organizations don't have a clear picture of how application > performance > > > > affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into > > > your > > > > Java,.NET, & PHP application. 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