On 02/12/14 21:08, Chris Marshall wrote: > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Tom Hacohen <tom.haco...@samsung.com> > wrote: > >> On 29/11/14 00:53, Chris Marshall wrote: >>> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Tom Hacohen <tom.haco...@samsung.com> >> wrote: >>>> On 28/11/14 13:36, Chris Marshall wrote: >>>>> On Nov 28, 2014 4:12 AM, "Tom Hacohen" <tom.haco...@samsung.com> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 28/11/14 10:05, Tom Hacohen wrote: >>>>>>> On 25/11/14 21:58, Chris Marshall wrote: >>>>>>>> I would like to support perl5 roles which are also known as traits: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://scg.unibe.ch/archive/papers/Scha03aTraits.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >From the positive experience with roles in perl5 modern OO >>>>>>>> developments, there is reason to believe that their support in >>>>>>>> EO might be equally useful and maybe an improvement over >>>>>>>> the mixin functionality. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, will read into that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Will reply to the rest of your emails in a second. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't see how they are different from mixins with 0 associated data. >>>>>> They just seem like a more restricted version of mixins. >>>>> >>>>> The main difference is that they get composed into the class as they >> are >>>>> applied so there is no further MRO or inheritance. This gives the good >>>>> parts of multiple inheritance without the pathologies. >>>> >>>> OK, so they are a way to add methods to a class directly? Interesting. >>>> Though I don't see the benefits over mixins. They integrate well into >>>> the MRO and let you do a bit more (have data) that we actually use >>>> (though could refactor to avoid). >>> >>> Here are a couple of pages that give some explanation >>> of roles in perl5 and the comparison of roles versus >>> interfaces, mixins, and traits in some other languages. >>> >>> http://search.cpan.org/~ether/Moose-2.1402/lib/Moose/Manual/Roles.pod >>> >> http://radar.oreilly.com/2014/01/horizontal-reuse-an-alternative-to-inheritance.html >>> >>> For the purposes of the Perl Data Language, the use of >>> roles, method modifiers (before, around, after other methods), >>> together with the ability to apply roles to objects form the >>> basis for the PDL3 JIT support in the works. >>> >> >> I skimmed over the links, and I still don't see the benefit. A mixin >> could provide the pull_plough without any issues, and everything will >> work as expected. >> Furthermore, in the first link it's explicitly said that "Moose roles >> are similar to mixins or interfaces in other languages.", so even there >> they don't say anything about them being better. >> >> I need an example (preferably a real life use case) of something I can't >> do, or can it's much harder to do, without roles. >> >> > Understood. Once I can get eo/eina/eolian working I plan to > determine where on the spectrum perl "roles" fit relative to the > EO "interfaces" and "mixins". From what I can tell, there is > a bit of variation in exactly what is meant and how the > implementations work. > > If I can accomplish my goals withEO mixins as-is, great. > > If I determine that something more is needed for my PDL > application, I'll provide some use cases supporting that need > and investigate options for implementation. It would probably > amount to a new enum for roles and code to handle them. > > I spent a number of hours on Saturday working to edit out > the non-eo/eina/eolian parts of the src/Makefile.am and the > configure.ac but when I was getting close, I deleted one > too many things and ended up with a configure file that > would not execute so I'm back to square one on that. >
Oops, sorry, your email got lost in my box. :) Great, yeah, I'm looking forward to getting more info. I'm all in favour of improving Eo if there's room for improvement. Let me know if you need any help with that (building). Though to be honest, you can probably just build everything and just remove the unneeded .so/headers (if you can get the deps). -- Tom. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration & more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=164703151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
