On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Christophe Sadoine <ch...@indefini.org> wrote: > On 12 April 2017 at 06:15, Cedric BAIL <cedric.b...@free.fr> wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> <barbi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Cedric BAIL <cedric.b...@free.fr> wrote: >>> We're incurring in the same error as we did for EDC, thinking much of >>> our side instead of users... EDC started as something for designers >>> but then we never provided WYSIWYG and it sucked... the primitives are >>> all there, but unusable for the naive or designers. >>> >>> the only way to describe this is to create a WYSIWYG first, then come >>> with some format to store it... But do that as the *USER* point of >>> view, not from EFL development PoV. Ignore our terms, ignore our >>> limitations, try to make design use cases and then we see how to >>> implement that with our tech, adding features and removing limitations >>> as needed. >> >> That's where I have a different opinion. Developers are bad with >> WYSIWYG interface. Designers are the users of that potential WYSIWYG >> interface. Problem is that in the population we are trying to address, >> a large portion of them are developers without a sidekick designer. >> They are the one who want to be able to do simple UI "assemblage" from >> a file. EDC is way to complicated and powerful for what they want. We >> actually do not have anything to address the needs of this people. >> This is what I am talking above. > > You say the population you are trying to address have a large portion > of developers. > You also said in your original email that there was 3 groups : > developers, developers, developers :D > I just want to mention, please don't forget about the designers or > even "wannabe designers".
Oh sure ! Well, that's because the work I am talking about is first focused on helping developers. There are other initiative to help designer. I think eflete is a good one. > I get the "more developers -> more apps -> more e/efl users" > But until 0.16, I think e became what it was in part because of themes > and customization. > There was a bunch of themes and it was fun :) Yes, and they were much much simpler. I hope that one side effect of clearly defined the style in the API of widget is that we can get a smaller theme. Simplifying the theme would greatly help. > Everybody knows making a theme takes time. I think one reason is > because you have to recompile your edc just to see what happens when > you changed an offset. (I am currently trying to make a simple theme) > If I could just change a line and see the change instantly I would be > so happy. Enventor is nice but of course it has to recompile all edc > files. Eflete does I think what you have in mind. One of the combo I would like to fix is edje_watch and edje_player. Ideally if it could just update what changed, that would be great. Like an edje_cc --update. Would be way faster. Sadly I don't have time for this :-( -- Cedric BAIL ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
