On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 14:12:10 +0000 Andrew Williams <[email protected]> said:

> Hi all,
> 
> This topic is something that has crossed my mind as I look at our current
> APIs and consider the big push to Eo stable. We have focussed so far on
> exposing the current APIs in an object oriented manner which is great for
> inheritance and standardising events etc and also powerful for generating
> bindings in object oriented languages.
> 
> What I am unsure about, however, is are we matching expectations from users
> of those languages when it comes to seperation of concerns, thin display
> layers and packaging data logic/behaviour with the related data types?
> 
> Cedric's presentation about MVC was an inspiring introduction to what we
> can do to reduce writing a lot of ui code where the data really defines
> what should be displayed. However this does not necessarily solve how many
> APIs we have on our elm widgets (for example) which relate to data
> manipulation rather than display logic.

this also does not solve complexity for simple use cases... it makes it more
complex. so it's not a silver bullet.

> Do we have an opportunity here to split these apart so that (taking text
> markup as an example) we could have e.g. String (especially important when
> binding to languages that understand ;) ) that provides insert/replace etc
> then MarkedUpString which provides additional markup handling. Both of
> these could be passed to, for example, entry as the text model so we can
> avoid exposing all the data related apis of widgets in the process. This
> would save a tonne of apis on the widgets and other graphical components.

i think this would be a bad idea. we are then double-objecting for labels. make
a string object first then tell label to use that string obj. it's certainly
more complex and requires more steps in every language.

> Is there a central document to the core types and design principles of our
> new API? I think it's going to be critical to the success of a compelling
> developer experience for efl going forward!
> 
> Thanks for reading,
> Andy
> 
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