On Wednesday, 07 July 2004, at 16:14:29 (+0900),
Carsten Haitzler wrote:

> wow this little thread is getting into a flame fest of e... on e
> lists by e users... a little weird :)

Indeed. :}

> ok - several things. e has been in non publicity mode to basically
> keep users AWAY from e17 to avoid the massive wishlist pile that
> would ensue and simply having to ignore everyone and thus create bad
> karma (tm) by simply telling people to piss off and leave us alone
> until we have the nuts and bolts at the lower levels nice and
> polished. we're not into listening to someone's idea of a funky
> pager display when we don't even HAVE a pager yet! - in fact don't
> even have virtual desktops! :)

Or a current working WM, for that matter. :)

> so this is WHY we aren't big on the publicity side - one day the
> time will come to go all-out.

Absolutely.  But I think we agree that today is NOT that day. :)

> now... i don't think we need to debate "e vs wm X".

No, not at all.

And for the record, I DO use E 0.16.x myself!  I still think it's the
best full-featured WM out there.

> sure it eats, breathes and sleeps - but the new stuff is SOOOO much
> more capable, powerful.

Exactly my point.  Compared to what's on the horizon, E 0.16.x pales.
Which is why I said, and I still say, that it's not state-of-the-art.

The EFL suite is lightyears beyond E 0.16.x in every way, and anyone
who has so much as *browsed the docs* can see that.

> i digress - the point - EFL does make e16 look primitive. mej is
> right in that respect. we need to move this on - and help would be
> good - not USERS, but CODERS. good ones. :)

Bingo.

Michael

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