Would an application utilizing true transparency in E17 actually have
to be made as a module, or would it just need to use elements of the
EFL to render its content?
On 7/28/05, Lionel ORRY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> 2005/7/28, Felix Boecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > what transparency does E17 actually do?
>
> Once and again : E17 does REAL transparency.
>
> > anything like what KDE 3.4 does? I have heard about transparency in E17
> but so far I've only found reports of fake transparency in console windows.
>
> The fact that disturbs a lot of people using e17 is that they can't have
> 'true transparency' everywhere on the desktop. They think "but WHERE is this
> f**ing true transparency ? I can't see my terminal under my firefox window.
> I want true transparency !"
> Keep quiet. You always have to keep in mind that e17 doesn't control all
> the graphic elements present on your desktop, simply because it's just a
> window manager. And the aim of a wm is to draw borders AROUND windows, and
> provide ease-to-use and fanciness to your applications environment. But e17
> is not able to make your firefox window transparent, because the content of
> the windows is not rendered by the wm, but by the rendering library used by
> the application (GTK+ for Firefox).
> If you want "true transparency", you'll have to use the composite extension
> of Xorg, and it's in no way related to what e17 does.
>
> The conclusion is that e17 can do true transparency on what it controls,
> i.e. windows borders, modules, menus. Keep in mind that the hard work of
> rendering everything is done by Xorg.
>
> That's also because of this that 'false transparency' is still wanted by
> users who use applications that need it internally, for instance Eterm. e17
> can't render the underlying windows for Eterm. A solution would be a
> terminal linked to enlightenment as a module.
>
> Cheers - Lionel
>
>
> > --Fx
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> > From: "Daniel Kozlowski" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "FORT Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [e-users] Windows Vista
> > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:03:39 -0400
> >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 16:50 +0200, FORT Yannick wrote:
> > > > Ricardo Birmann wrote:
> > > > > well, i am sure that xfree does not implement true
> > > > transparency, but i > think xorg does.... more than that, i think
> > > > it ca be used with E17
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you consider "very experimental, totaly not optimal, working
> > > > on some hardware only, no software manages it correctly" as "it
> > > > does", ok, that is true, but i don't consider that (of course,
> > > > having an ATI videocard may be changing my opinion about real
> > > > transparency)
> > > >
> > > I have used the composite extension on Xorg just to test it out and it
> > > appears to work well. As far as WM integration goes i am sure it will
> > > take a release or two of the major WM to integrate true transparency
> > > ( I think KDE will have it at 4.0 if not 3.x { x | x>5 } ). but it will
> > > be here before Vista shows up.
> > >
> > > >
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