> >> >
> >> > ok. another shot:
> >> >
> >> > - can someone advise why i can't use "shaped" borders for menu, gadman
> >> >   popup, exebuf, winlist and modules popups (like tclock) any more?
> >> >
> >> in addition - please look at the attached shot and note that drag'n'drop
> >> operations also assume that you have a non transparent rect as a
> >> background for dragged files. is that a recent "improvements" or we
> >> could have old behaviour and flexibility we get used to?
> >>
> > here goes another "funny story"...
> >
> > if a shelf is "shaped" - you get a nasty black corners (covering all
> > spece to the good rect). moreover, "shaped" shelf (like "name: 
> > "e/shelf/default/base";")
> > placed "Above Everything" is unable to carry "systray" module properly.
> > tray icons will be invisible and red/pink tray bg is all you get (this
> > case recently was mentioned by someone, sorry, can't remember exactly).
> > it's enough to remove 'data.item: "shaped" "1";' to recover our systray.
> > hope this info is useful...
> 
> this is known, I remember me mailing this in follow up mails to
> systray announcement: you cannot mix ARGB and RGB windows, specially
> you cannot have RGB windows that are child of ARGB windows
> automatically. Since E itself is not doing manual composite redirect
> of XEMBED windows from systray icons we cannot have:
>    - transparent background icons
>    - transparent shelf (add systray to shelfs "below all" to work
> around it for now)
>    - shelfs with "automatically scroll contents" since being another
> window instead of simple evas objects will not apply evas clippers
> (could do nasty hacks to have the same effect, but not doing any of
> them now, will fix the underlying problem someday)
> 
> as I already said I'll probably not do the xembed/composite anytime
> soon. After viktor (saturn_vk/urandom) is done with his esmart_xpixmap
> we can try to have it in, but until then I'm just postponing the work.
> KDE, for instance, should drop current freedesktop.org systray spec in
> favor of their own (which raster already looked and likes much more,
> maybe will become a standard later) in their next release, so no KDE
> apps generating dock requests using the old way. If it can go away,
> why bother too much now if the basics/defaults works?
>

huge thanks for the explanations. but beg your pardon for my stupidity
i'm still don't understand the reason why things stoped recently  to 
work as they used to? is it because they worked quite well but "wrong" 
some time ago and now they doesn't work "right"? i'm talking about the 
rest of "shaped" issues. some time ago i could D'n'D files with a 
"shaped" bg and use menu borders along with customization of a shelf, 
etc. without composite. now i can't without this nice black additions 
to the rect. is it a minor issue to be fixed soon? or...?

regards,
sda


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