Hi, I don't agree with you. You should be thankful to us admins and IT staff to try to explain you why we will all progressively switch to another browser. We are a significant part of your user base and we tell you we are not satisfied with your product. Plus, we explain in great details why, and we offer solutions and proposals in a usually constructive way. Could you dream anything better?
As an CIO I can tell you I am feed up with: - GUI changes that make my "non IT fans" users unhappy and forces me to spend lots of time training them and explaining the new "features" - Lack of administrative tools to distribute and configure Firefox. This is going to change at last. For the moment I am very happy with "FrontMotion" who delivers exactly what Firefox should have provided years ago (and that Chrome and IE provides.....) - Bugs, bugs, bugs. A long time ago we talked about V cycle developpment, tests and long tunnels. Now the fashion is "Agile", which is often a synonym of "Messy" or "Random". We have to deal with tons of upgrades and new versions which don't bring anything NEEDED in a corporate environment. Most of those versions are in fact bug fixes of the previous ones.... I am definitely old fashioned, but I loved the time when software was tested for a long time before being released to users so that the released version would at least be usable. Now the testers are the end-users and releasing a version that does not even print is OK (remember this one six month ago?) So please, hear us, take our remarks in consideration and make your product desirable. Trying to mimic your competition while being already behind is a dead end. You need to differentiate! Yours, Blaise -----Message d'origine----- De : Enterprise [mailto:[email protected]] De la part de Sylvestre Ledru Envoyé : jeudi 21 décembre 2017 09:59 À : Alan Bell <[email protected]>; 'Michael Perkins' <[email protected]>; Fred Bauer <[email protected]>; [email protected] Objet : Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Announcing the next Extended Support Release of Firefox - ESR60 with policy engine Hello, Thanks for your feedback. You will understand that it is impossible to make everyone happy with a new release. Now, the goal of this mailing list is "enterprise developers, IT staff and Firefox developers can discuss the challenges, ideas and best practices for deploying Firefox in the enterprise". I don't think this is the right place to have such discussion. Please move this discussion somewhere else. Thanks, Sylvestre On 21/12/2017 09:47, Alan Bell wrote: > Reminds me of the windows 8 saga, where someone decided every desktop had to act like a phone, > > The W8 release got junked, the guy behind W8 got fired. > > On my desktop I have a nice wide screen, a mouse and a functional keyboard, and other applications open that need to work with the browser. > > On my phone I have a screen that can present perhaps 1 item of useful information at a time, normally transient. > > > > Best Regards > Alan Bell > Tel: +44 (0) 2392 265109 ext 22 > www.wessextech.co.uk > www.countermark.com > Wessex Technology OEP Ltd, Unit 16, Somerset House, Hussar Court, Westside View, Waterlooville, PO7 7SG, UK > > Registered in England and Wales, no: 2833845. reg. office: 204 London Road, Waterlooville PO7 7AN, UK This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the named recipient, you must not use, disclose, reproduce, copy or distribute the contents of this communication. If you have received this in error, please contact the sender and then delete this email from your system. > > Spam Policy: Wessex Technology uses email filtering from Symantec and spamhaus.org for the protection of its system integrity > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Enterprise [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Perkins > Sent: 21 December 2017 06:30 > To: Fred Bauer; Sylvestre Ledru; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Announcing the next Extended Support Release of Firefox - ESR60 with policy engine > > Agreed. FireFox 57 sucks. I had to go back to previous version. When I found that the older ESR supported all the features I wanted, I decided to go back (in versions) even more to the ESR. > > > > > All my machines will soon have the ESR. > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Enterprise <[email protected]> on behalf of Fred Bauer <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:39 PM > To: Sylvestre Ledru; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Announcing the next Extended Support Release of Firefox - ESR60 with policy engine > > > I'm not a system administrator, and I don't even play one on TV. I'm just a long-time Firefox user who was forced to switch to the ESR channel because of intense dislike of the new "normal channel" Firefox release. I don't understand why Firefox had to essentially mimic the Chrome UI, which does not support how I want to use my computer browser. > > > > > > Now it seems from the messages on this listserve that the forthcoming ESR release next year will probably adopt the same ADD-friendly regular Firefox/Chrome UI, and I'll be left without a useful browser. Depressing. > > > > > > I don't know if my feelings are shared by anyone else, but I did want to put them out there: not everybody wants their computer browser to work like a smart phone browser. > > > > > Thanks for listening, > > Fred Bauer > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Enterprise <[email protected]> on behalf of Sylvestre Ledru <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 5:06 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Mozilla Enterprise] Announcing the next Extended Support Release of Firefox - ESR60 with policy engine > > The Firefox ESR (extended support release) is based on an official release of Firefox desktop for use by organizations including schools, universities, businesses and others who need extended support for mass deployments. Since Firefox 10, ESR has grown in popularity and many large organizations rely on it to let their employees browse the Internet securely. > > We want to make customization of Firefox deployments simpler for system administrators and we're pleased to announce that our next ESR version, Firefox 60, will include a policy engine that increases customization possibilities and integration into existing management systems. > > What is the policy engine? > The Policy Engine is a project to build a Firefox desktop configuration and customization feature for enterprise users. The policy engine will work with any tool that wants to set policies and we intend to bring Windows Group Policy support soon. We'll be initially supporting a limited set of policies but this will be evolving through user feedback. > More details on the policy engine can be found here. <https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/EnterprisePolicies> > Bug reference <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1419102> > > What's the plan? > In order to accommodate the group policy implementation, we are making Firefox 60 our next ESR version and will be following this plan: > > * May 8th - ESR 60.0 released (we'd love feedback from early adopters at that point and will be sharing a feedback form through the enterprise mailing list) > * July 3rd - ESR 60.1 released > * August 28th - End of life for ESR 52 and release of ESR 60.2.0. No further updates will be offered for ESR52 and an update to ESR60.0.2 will be provided through the application update service > > > Also please keep in mind that Firefox 57, released last month, supports only add-ons built with the WebExtensions API <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/WebExtensions> . This means that Firefox 52 ESR is the last release that will support legacy add-ons. If you developed an add-on that has not been updated to the WebExtensions API, there is still time to do so. Documentation <https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/WebExtensions/Porting_a_legac y_Firefox_add-on> is available, and you can ask questions by emailing [email protected] or joining the #webextensions channel at irc.mozilla.org <http://irc.mozilla.org> . > If you are supporting users who use add-ons, now is a good time to encourage them to check if their add-on works <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/frequently-asked-questions-firefox-a ddon> with Firefox 57+. > > Erin, Felipe, Jeff, Kev, Mike Kaply, Romain, Shell & Sylvestre > > _______________________________________________ Enterprise mailing list [email protected] https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe" _______________________________________________ Enterprise mailing list [email protected] https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe"
