On 3/3/01 12:44 AM, "Michael W. Wellman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Paul's right, mostly. It's business. Get it out the door. But, Paul is
>> also a bit wrong. The only real difference between E and Outlook is the PIM
>> stuff
>
> Which Outlook? Outlook for Macintosh, Outlook Express for Macintosh,
> Outlook for Windows, Outlook Express for Windows, or Outlook 2000 for
> Windows?
>
> Most of the "Outlook" versions have a goodly portion of the PIM stuff. Most
> of the "Outlook Express" versions do not.
>
>> -- which really just doesn't work like it should, by any standard.
>
> I'd mostly agree that the feature set is lacking.
I agree and disagree. I use the PIM features extensively and although it
does not have some of the nice extras in Palm Desktop, most of them are
minor. (These include links to letter templates from contacts, ability to
dial out, pretty calendar "skins," and some other more technical bits with
syncing.)
The Erage team readily admits that it is a 1.0 product, but it is missing
*very* little considering that state and provides 99% of the *needed* (for
me at least) functionality, with many of the limitations able to be solved
via scripts (e.g. the script to allow dialing out). Not perfect, but it is
certainly not so far behind PD (and it does other things that PD cannot such
as sending Event invitations).
>> (Especially since it was *touted* as being able to sync with the Palm/Visor
>
> Um, it can sync with the Palm and the Visor. It's just that there are some
> limitations in the syncing.
>
> Palm limits the number of available categories. You can't sync more
> categories than Palm supports.
>
> Palm doesn't allow categories to have more than 16 characters per category
> name. This limitation wasn't known at the time that E'rage's conduit was
> written. And the Palm software doesn't deal well with this attempts, thus
> the never ending parade of duplicates.
>
>
> Having spent some time playing with Palm syncing (we were looking at doing a
> lightweight IMAP client for the Palm and we wanted to support syncing as
> well as downloading), I can say that the entire syncing architecture is
> undeserving of the word architecture. When I looked at it, it was a layer
> of marginally functional hacks on top of a layer of barely documented calls.
>
> Not that that matters, once Microsoft "supported" the functionality, they
> were left stuck "supporting" the architecture as well.
This is one area in which Erage continues to be blamed when much of the
fault seems to reside with Palm...
>> Entourage *looks* better than Palm Desktop, but it certainly doesn't *work*
>> better.
Actually, in many ways I think PD looks better.
>> Sure, there are some bells and whistles that are 'pretty neat' ... once. But
>> these become a major barrier to *really* implementing E in daily usage for
>> anything but an email client (and there probably is not a better one of those
>> for the Mac anywhere, Outlook being equal in my opinion.)
Well, my business life depends upon Erage and so far I still have my job!
;-) I use my Pilot sparingly (when I go into meetings, which are not that
common, once a week) since I have my PowerBook with me at all other times,
but even the Palm is syncing properly so that is not a problem.
The calendar functions, reminders, contacts, tasks, all work as advertised
and have kept me on track for nearly a year. Sure, there are other things
that I would like to see implemented or done better, but that will *always*
be true.
>> Outlook rocked, and the MS team "has no one to blame but themselves", is how
>> I see it...not the end user as Paul suggested.
>
> Blame for what? That E'rage is probably the best email client thus far made
> available on any platform?
In fact, aren't there many "under the hood" improvements in Erage's mail
client that are not in OE? Perhaps someone else can comment on that.
>> Keep the feature list rolling, is what I say.
Absolutely. People are listening and reacting. For example, I think it has
been reported to the list by MS folks that the ability to dial the phone
from a contact is likely to make it into an upgrade since SO many people
asked for it here (but not in study groups). So keep them coming! (The beef
was in what some viewed as unjust/inaccurate criticism.)
Cb
cbrady @ tulane.edu
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