On 7/21/04 2:45 PM, Barry Wainwright wrote:

> The 'time received' stamp (different to a 'received header') is a record of
> when you received the email in your client.
> 
> If you want to know when it was sent, look at the 'time sent' column.


Hi Barry.
Thank you for the response.  Unfortunately, neither of those have relevance
to what I need to be able to know for search and for organization.
When it was received by the client is of no use what-so-ever since it could
have hit the server at any point during the three to five to ten minutes
between that and the previous scheduled retrieval yet will only show the
common time stamp that means absolutely nothing.
And as for when it was sent, well, that could have been anywhere from a few
seconds to a few days depending on which why the winds were blowing across
the internet and which part of the world they came from.
The importance of when it hit the server is that is far more likely to be
more precise a time stamp for later use and for keeping things organized in
the message list.  

I operate a LOT of user groups and participate in a few more.  When messages
come in and are stacked simply by the group of that particular retrieval,
they can stack all out of sequence with replies showing before the original.
There's far more to it than that.  But that's just one example of the need.
And I hate having my emails "threaded".  I only want them sorted by when
they arrived - but arrived at the server.
And as I mentioned, Entourage is the first client I've used or tried that I
can't find this very basic function.  During my Win days I used Netscape,
The Bat, PocoMail, and finally fell head-over-heels for Calypso - the very
best email client ever made (sorry, but true).
The various clients I tried in Linux all could do it, most defaulted to this
setting.  
And all the app I've tried since having settled into the lovely world of Mac
but before Entourage seemed to have no problem as well.

Entourage, being the closest thing to Calypso (now called Courier) in terms
of many other features (but still missing a few key elements) is where I
ended up by process of logic, need, and elimination.

So that's the story, Barry.
Thanks anyway though.

ht




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