On 10/14/04 9:34 AM, Deborah Shadovitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I use Verdana 9pt for my list items and it has always looked perfect to me.
> (Happy to send screenshot offlist.) I also have plenty of room on my 15"
> PowerBook to view all the headings I ad to the view. So the image you shared
> with us is 9pt - like mine? Interesting. Eddie have you tried other fonts?
> (Not a solution to a bug, I know, but may make your life easier.)

Deborah, I have changed my Plain text messages font from Monaco 9 to Monaco
10 because Monaco 9 was too small when smoothed and too awful-looking when
unsmoothed. I have kept list items at Verdana 9, just like you and don't
have a problem with that.

As long as I don't set OS X's Font smoothing style to turn off text
smoothing for font sizes '10 or smaller' or '9 or smaller,' everything in
Entourage looks "acceptable." I still prefer Monaco 9 unsmoothed like it was
in Entourage 2001 and X, but apparently that's just not going to happen.

You can download some screenshots at my .Mac HomePage to see what the
various problems are. This link will probably break:
<http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/23/wo/zCCxQmB1YhNFFbXg.1
/0.2.1.2.22.31.97.0.35.0.1.1.1?user=ehargreaves&fpath=entourage_screenshots&
templatefn=FileSharing26.html>

If it does, simply visit
http://homepage.mac.com/ehargreaves/FileSharing26.html and click on the
Entourage screenshots folder link.

All the screenshots are of Entourage set to use Verdana 9pt to display list
items and Monaco 9pt to display Plain text messages:

"EX font smoothing 8" shows what the Entourage X Mail window and a plain
text message looks like when OS X's font smoothing is set to turn off text
smoothing for font sizes 8 or smaller. Everything looks perfect to me there.

"EX font smoothing 9" is the same window and message with text smoothing
turned off for font sizes 9 or smaller. The spacing in some of the list
items is awful, but the message still looks perfect.

"E2004 font smoothing 8" shows the Entourage 2004 Mail window and the same
text message with OS X set to turn off text smoothing for fonts 8 and
smaller. The list items look exactly the same as X, but the plain text
message is smoothed and much tinier. It doesn't even look like the same
font.

"E2004 font smoothing 9" is the exact same window with OS X set to turn off
font smoothing for 9 or smaller. The message text is awful, with letters
running into each other all over the place. Meanwhile, the list items are
still smoothed, even though they shouldn't be ... Except for the bolded
folders, which aren't smoothed and actually look exactly like Xsmoothing9,
like they should.

Raul's screenshot <http://www.mexpix.com/images/screwedentoruage.jpg>
demonstrated that the OS X's font smoothing preferences are not always
obeyed, especially in the list items. And in both his and mine, you can see
how when text smoothing is turned off, the font often looks like garbage,
due to poor spacing between letters.

Eddie Hargreaves


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