On 11/5/04 11:21 AM, "Peter C.S. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> The full source for Eddie's original is "multipart/alternative" and has both >> plain text and HTML versions. The plain text part comes first. Scroll >> through it to get to the HTML part. If you cannot see that, then you must be >> running Allen Watson's script that strips out HTML, from a rule. > > No, I don't have that script, and I don't have any rule that strips > multipart MIME parts (just attachments like .scr, .pif, etc.). I don't know > why, but Eddie's message showed up in my inbox as multipart, but with just > one part: plain text. I receive HTML messages all the time, and that one had > no HTML. > > peter But it did have an HTML part. See below. So _something_ stripped it out before it got to you. Try turning off your rule and I'll redirect the message to you. Do you by any chance receive this mailing list as a digest and/or use MLM rules to burst the digest or run an AppleScript on the list messages? Maybe the digest sends plain text only (I'd suspect it might). -- Paul Berkowitz MVP MacOffice Entourage FAQ Page: <http://www.entourage.mvps.org/faq/index.html> AppleScripts for Entourage: <http://macscripter.net/scriptbuilders/> PLEASE always state which version of Microsoft Office you are using - **2004**, X or 2001. It's often impossible to answer your questions otherwise. ------------------Full source of Eddie's message---------- Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from psmtp.com (exprod5mx115.postini.com [64.18.0.87]) by beach.silcom.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CF028B5553 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:15:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from source ([66.60.137.101]) by exprod5mx115.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:14:23 EST Received: from earthlink.net by lists.letterrip.com with SMTP; Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:12:19 -0700 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:11:14 -0800 Subject: Re: HTML mail font sizes shrink when in Outlook! From: Eddie Hargreaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Entourage:mac Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Disposition-Notification-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3182490737_110982" X-ELNK-Trace: d41d27c07fcc8b2c74bf435c0eb9d478e52fd700cb2c95b8dc8c5caf388e7e204920b1e3408 82f72350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.209.120.238 Reply-To: "Entourage:mac Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Precedence: List List-Software: LetterRip Pro 4.05b9 by LetterRip Software, LLC. List-Subscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Digest: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-LR-SENT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> forward (good recip) [167/8] X-UIDL: ,Wg"!`n3!!%Ko!!]KH!! > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3182490737_110982 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Your message text does appear quite small to me. I typed out your first sentence in TextEdit in Times New Roman 12 point and it looked exactly the same there as it does in Entourage. My default plain-text viewing font is Monaco 10pt. When I changed the sentence in TextEdit to that font and size, it was much more readable (see below). Why not just use plain text messages and then no one can blame you for the size of your message text? Times New Roman 12 point: I am sending this HTML message in 12 point Times New Roman Monaco 10 point:=20 I am sending this HTML message in 12 point Times New Roman On 11/5/04 6:31 AM, Stephen Rayment <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am sending this HTML message in 12 point Times New Roman. > I know Diane Ross said it was teeny tiny when she got it. > Does anybody else see it teeny tiny. > Any ideas what=B9s going on? > sgr >=20 >> > Does anybody have any suggestions on how to fix this problem? >> > Having my e-mail text shrink to teeny tiny (7pt) on a Windows machine = gives >> > them all yet one more reason to mock my funny little Macintosh :-( >> > sgr >> >=20 >> >=20 >>> >> From: Joel Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:49:59 -0600 >>> >> To: sgr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >> Subject: RE: HTML mail have different font seize in Outlook! >>> >>=20 >>> >> Entourage uses a different style of HTML code than Outlook uses; fon= t >>> sizes >>> >> in Entourage are in the format 'font-size:12.0px' while Outlook font >>> sizes >>> >> are in the format 'FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2'. Other Win= dows >>> >> programs use 'font size=3D12pt'. The different format in Entourage of= ten >>> >> results on Windows programs correctly displaying the font and at alm= ost >>> the >>> >> proper size, but characters are slightly malformed. >>> >>=20 >>> >>=20 >>>> >>> From: sgr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>> Organization: http://groups.google.com >>>> >>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.mac.office.entourage >>>> >>> Date: 1 Nov 2004 10:53:36 -0800 >>>> >>> Subject: Re: HTML mail have different font seize in Outlook! >>>> >>>=20 >>>> >>> I have exactly the same problem, particularly the sizes getting >>>> >>> smaller in replies! >>>> >>> The Entourage MVP site says (and I quote) ... >>>> >>> "It has to do with the way that monitors connected to Windows syst= ems >>>> >>> display images. Windows displays the screen picture at 96 dpi, whi= le >>>> >>> the Mac displays the screen picture at 72 dpi. Because of this, >>>> >>> messages that look normally sized on the Windows computer will be >>>> >>> small on the Macintosh. On the other hand, messages that look >>>> >>> normally-sized on the Macintosh are magnified when they are shown = on >>>> >>> Windows displays" >>>> >>> I'm not so sure. >>>> >>> Any other opinions would be valued. >>>> >>> sgr=20 >>>> >>>=20 >>>> >>>=20 >>>> >>>=20 >>>> >>> Jens Lorenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message >>>> >>> news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... >> >=20 >>>>> >>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>> >>>> When I send HTML mails from Entourage to some colleagues via our >>>>> company >>>>> >>>> Exchange Server, the font seize is reduced in some Outlook clien= ts. >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>> >>>> I usually use Arial 12, but also tried other fonts (e.g. Vernada= ). In some >>>>> >>>> Outlook clients the font size appears as seize 9 or smaller inst= ead >>>>> of 12. >>>>> >>>> When I check the source code it seems the same as in clients whe= re >>>>> the font >>>>> >>>> size is being displayed correctly - except that the font size do= es get >>>>> >>>> changed (reduced) when replying. >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>> >>>> As mentioned, it's only in some Outlook clients. I tried it with >>>>> several >>>>> >>>> colleagues and my own Outlook installation at a customer site (w= here >>>>> I have >>>>> >>>> a Windows box). >>>>> >>>> On some clients it shows up OK on some the smaller font sizes ar= e >>>>> being >>>>> >>>> displayed. >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>> >>>> And the really strange thing is that the fonts of original text = get >>>>> smaller >>>>> >>>> when I have a conversation, that is a reduction in font size of = the >>>>> quoted >>>>> >>>> text in nearly every reply to one of my replies. >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>> >>>> As soon as someone with an Outlook client that's "affected" open= s the >>>>> mail, >>>>> >>>> the font seize gets changed permanently (so I can see it in the >>>>> replies). >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>> >>>> Anyone have any idea what's happening here? >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>> >>>> I thought it might be the character set at first. But I changed = this in >>>>> >>>> Entourage (from automatic to ISO) and on two of the Outlook clie= nts, >>>>> but no >>>>> >>>> change... >>>>> >>>>=20 >>>>> >>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>> Jens --B_3182490737_110982 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: HTML mail font sizes shrink when in Outlook!</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Lucida Grande, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-siz= e:12.0px'>Your message text does appear quite small to me. I typed out your = first sentence in TextEdit in Times New Roman 12 point and it looked exactly= the same there as it does in Entourage. <BR> <BR> My default plain-text viewing font is Monaco 10pt. When I changed the sente= nce in TextEdit to that font and size, it was much more readable (see below)= . Why not just use plain text messages and then no one can blame you for the= size of your message text?<BR> <BR> Times New Roman 12 point: <BR> </SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">I= am sending this HTML message in 12 point Times New Roman<BR> </FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Lucida Grande, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">Monaco 10 poin= t: <BR> </FONT></SPAN><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Monaco, Courier New"><SPAN STYLE=3D'= font-size:10.0px'>I am sending this HTML message in 12 point Times New Roman= <BR> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Lucida Grande, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">= <SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><BR> <BR> On 11/5/04 6:31 AM, Stephen Rayment <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro= te:<BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><FONT FACE=3D"Times = New Roman">I am sending this HTML message in 12 point Times New Roman.<BR> I know Diane Ross said it was teeny tiny when she got it.<BR> Does anybody else see it teeny tiny.<BR> Any ideas what’s going on?<BR> sgr<BR> <BR> > </FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Courier, Courier New">Does anybody have any suggest= ions on how to fix this problem?<BR> > Having my e-mail text shrink to teeny tiny (7pt) on a Windows machine = gives<BR> > them all yet one more reason to mock my funny little Macintosh :-(<BR> > sgr<BR> > <BR> > <BR> >> From: Joel Nelson <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>[EMAIL PROTECTED] s.net</U></FONT>><BR> >> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:49:59 -0600<BR> >> To: sgr <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</= U></FONT>><BR> >> Subject: RE: HTML mail have different font seize in Outlook!<BR> >> <BR> >> Entourage uses a different style of HTML code than Outlook uses; f= ont sizes<BR> >> in Entourage are in the format 'font-size:12.0px' while Outlook fo= nt sizes<BR> >> are in the format 'FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2'. Ot= her Windows<BR> >> programs use 'font size=3D12pt'. The different format in Entou= rage often<BR> >> results on Windows programs correctly displaying the font and at a= lmost the<BR> >> proper size, but characters are slightly malformed.<BR> >> <BR> >> <BR> >>> From: sgr <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>[EMAIL PROTECTED] .com</U></FONT>><BR> >>> Organization: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U><a href=3D"http://groups.= google.com">http://groups.google.com</a><BR> </U></FONT>>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.mac.office.entourage<B= R> >>> Date: 1 Nov 2004 10:53:36 -0800<BR> >>> Subject: Re: HTML mail have different font seize in Outlook!<B= R> >>> <BR> >>> I have exactly the same problem, particularly the sizes gettin= g<BR> >>> smaller in replies!<BR> >>> The Entourage MVP site says (and I quote) ...<BR> >>> "It has to do with the way that monitors connected to Win= dows systems<BR> >>> display images. Windows displays the screen picture at 96 dpi,= while<BR> >>> the Mac displays the screen picture at 72 dpi. Because of this= ,<BR> >>> messages that look normally sized on the Windows computer will= be<BR> >>> small on the Macintosh. On the other hand, messages that look<= BR> >>> normally-sized on the Macintosh are magnified when they are sh= own on<BR> >>> Windows displays"<BR> >>> I'm not so sure.<BR> >>> Any other opinions would be valued.<BR> >>> sgr <BR> >>> <BR> >>> <BR> >>> <BR> >>> Jens Lorenz <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>[EMAIL PROTECTED] m</U></FONT>> wrote in message<BR> >>> <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED] eres.com</U></FONT>>...<BR> > <BR> >>>> Hi!<BR> >>>> <BR> >>>> When I send HTML mails from Entourage to some colleagues v= ia our company<BR> >>>> Exchange Server, the font seize is reduced in some Outlook= clients.<BR> >>>> <BR> >>>> I usually use Arial 12, but also tried other fonts (e.g. V= ernada). In some<BR> >>>> Outlook clients the font size appears as seize 9 or smalle= r instead of 12.<BR> >>>> When I check the source code it seems the same as in clien= ts where the font<BR> >>>> size is being displayed correctly - except that the font s= ize does get<BR> >>>> changed (reduced) when replying.<BR> >>>> <BR> >>>> As mentioned, it's only in some Outlook clients. I tried i= t with several<BR> >>>> colleagues and my own Outlook installation at a customer s= ite (where I have<BR> >>>> a Windows box).<BR> >>>> On some clients it shows up OK on some the smaller font si= zes are being<BR> >>>> displayed.<BR> >>>> <BR> >>>> And the really strange thing is that the fonts of original= text get smaller<BR> >>>> when I have a conversation, that is a reduction in font si= ze of the quoted<BR> >>>> text in nearly every reply to one of my replies.<BR> >>>> <BR> >>>> As soon as someone with an Outlook client that's "aff= ected" opens the mail,<BR> >>>> the font seize gets changed permanently (so I can see it i= n the replies).<BR> >>>> <BR> >>>> Anyone have any idea what's happening here?<BR> >>>> <BR> >>>> I thought it might be the character set at first. But I ch= anged this in<BR> >>>> Entourage (from automatic to ISO) and on two of the Outloo= k clients, but no<BR> >>>> change...<BR> >>>> <BR> >>>> Regards,<BR> >>>> Jens<BR> </FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><FONT FACE=3D"Couri= er, Courier New"><BR> </FONT></SPAN> </BODY> </HTML> --B_3182490737_110982-- -- To unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archives: <http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk%40lists.letterrip.com/> old-archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk%40lists.boingo.com/> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archives: <http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk%40lists.letterrip.com/> old-archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk%40lists.boingo.com/>
