On 3/15/2006 4:51 AM, "John C. Welch" wrote:
> Actually, when I'm dealing with a crashed drive, I care FAR less about
> ~/Library/Application Support/ and far MORE about ~/Documents, because
> ~/Documents is *where the work is*. Application Support can be recreated at
> will, and should not hold user work. That is what the E'rage database
> is...User work.

This isn't really true, John. According to Apple's developer guidelines,
~/Documents is for files/folders the user creates directly, whereas
~/Library/Application Support contains support files *and* data created
indirectly. For example, many apps that act as "databases" store all their
data -- properly -- in Application Support. The contents of Application
Support are certainly not all stuff that can be "recreated at will."

(Yes, I know that Apple breaks its own guidelines by placing Safari and Mail
folders in ~/Library, when they should go in ~/Library/Application Support,
but that's a different issue ;-)  We both know that Apple has always broken
its own developer guidelines; that's not a good reason for everyone else to
do it, too.)


I think the bigger point here is that any backup worth anything should
include both ~/Documents *and* ~/Library. There's simply too much important
stuff in ~/Library not to back it up, too.




>> Migrating to the "proper" behavior wouldn't have to be problematic. As
>> someone else suggested, the Office apps might first look to
>> ~/Library/Application Support/Microsoft, and if it doesn't find the
>> appropriate data, then look to the legacy location of ~/Documents/Microsoft
>> User Data.
> 
> Why would you think that will stop this?
> 
> I'll tell you categorically, at best it will slow it down SLIGHTLY, and this
> coming from someone who spend three days a month every month for YEARS in
> the 90s restoring drives because people deleted their DOS directory.
> 
> Why?
> 
> "I don't use anything in there"
> 
> "But I told you the last time you did this that you can't do this, because
> without it, your computer can't work"
> 
> "oh, I forgot"
> 
> So if you think for an instant that changing the location of the MUD folder
> is going to make this problem go away, you're overly optimistic.

I actually wasn't making the claim that this would "fix" anything ;-)  I was
just pointing out that the correct place for the MUD folder to reside,
according to developer guidelines, is in Application Support.

That said, in my experience, I think far fewer people venture into
Application Support and randomly delete things than do the same in
Documents. To many people, the Library folder is still a mysterious thing,
whereas the Documents folder is "my stuff, so I can do what I want in here."


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