Ed,

      I couple more thoughts to add to what you've said, and said well. 

      Sometimes it is good to go into a forest with blinders on to all but one 
or two species as opposed to wandering about trying to stay sensitive to all 
species. When I activate my stripped maple filter, the large, bright green 
leaves stand out in the understory and I can quickly and easily home in on 
stripped maples that are above 50 feet in height. So far in MTSF, I've measured 
three striped maples over 60 feet and have this beautiful understory species 
pretty well mapped out. I'll soon turn my attention onto witch hazel. I'll have 
to install another mental filter to be active from 20 to about 35 feet maximum 
- I think.     

      I completely agree that documenting the growth maximums for all species, 
short and tall can provide us with a much better understanding of the growth 
potential of an area. Some of the shorter species may be far more useful than 
personally have heretofore understood. The ones growing in southern New England 
forests are usually shortlived. Consequently, we can see many more of them 
through their entire life cycles and therefore have a better opportunity to 
catch more at their peak heights. That's far less likely for species that live 
for three or more centuries and are economiclaly valuable at 60 years of age.

Bob 
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From: "Edward Forrest Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

ENTS,

A listing of this sort also has other advantages.  It is what Colby described 
as a complete species profile for the site.  It allows easy calculations of 
various Rucker Indexes.  But also by having this list, you can look at it and 
it will jump out at you that "Oh, I saw a taller Sassafras just the other day 
than the one listed here."  You can see at a glance if there are taller trees 
you just haven't measured.  Most people really into it know how tall the 
tallest species are, but the heights of the shorter species may not be as 
completely at the tip of your tongue.  A listing of all the species measured 
tells you at a glance what species you haven't measured.  This is often just an 
oversight, or they have not been measured because they are not that tall, but a 
listing such as this begs for missing data and measurements to be taken.

Ed

ENTS,

I might suggest that the best way to keep up with the Rucker Indexes for all of 
the sites would first to have a listing of all the trees from the site, ordered 
however you want.  Then a second listing for the site would include only the 
tallest tree of each species, and every species measured at the site should be 
included, and have this list sorted tallest to shortest.  Whenever a new taller 
specimen is found for a species, the old would be deleted from this tall list 
and the the new one inserted at the proper place in the hierarchy.  Calculating 
a Rucker Index would then just consist of copying the contents of the top 5, 
10, or 20 cells to an adjacent column, summing those, and dividing by the 
number of cells.  That is what I did with Dales RI20 listings and our composite 
listings for the Allegheny River Islands. It worked very well.

Ed


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