Ed,

I never thought of that. Measuring does not usually require permission
unless you have to ask to get on the property to get to the tree, but
I guess it ( boring ) physically can damage a tree requires
permission. Does that pertain also to tree climbs, as Will does?  I
know it would on someones private property.

I have heard that the borers are expensive.

JP

On Nov 8, 5:56 pm, "Edward Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> James,
>
> The thing about increment borers, besides being expensive, is that you need 
> to get permission to core trees that are not on your own property.  Those on 
> public lands, national parks, state parks, etc, often have a detailed 
> permitting process before you can do anything.  For those eon private 
> property, people don't like strangers drilling holes in their trees.
>
> Ed
> "Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, And sorry I could not travel both. "
> Robert Frost (1874-1963). Mountain Interval. 1920.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: James Parton
>   To: ENTSTrees
>   Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 5:35 PM
>   Subject: [ENTS] Re: Chestnut Grove, Hominy Valley Overlook BRP
>
>   Ed,
>
>   I would love to have an increment borer and learn how to use it.
>
>   The tuliptrees don't have the deep old furrowed bark of the
>   Cataloochee or Joyce Kilmer old growth specimens.
>
>   JP
>
>   On Nov 8, 5:31 pm, "Edward Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   > James,
>
>   > I don't think that a fair guess could be made about the tuliptrees 
> without any core data from the area at all. I know farther up the ridges 
> along Shenandoah National Park and farther down ridge tops along the Blue 
> Ridge Parkway are dry ridge top forests of 
> oaks.http://www.nativetreesociety.org/fieldtrips/virginia/shen2008/shennan... 
> One short and gnarled red oak tree, and one not really that large in girth 
> (around 7 feet), with many bigger ones in the same section, had been cut 
> after falling on the highway had 215 rings. These are primary old-growth 
> forests with no evidence in many of them having ever been cut. Your 
> tuliptrees are just a little farther down slope. They could be young, or they 
> could be old given the context of their location.
>
>   > Ed
>
>   > "Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, And sorry I could not travel both. "
>   > Robert Frost (1874-1963). Mountain Interval. 1920.
>
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: James Parton
>   > To: ENTS
>   > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 1:27 PM
>   > Subject: [ENTS] Chestnut Grove, Hominy Valley Overlook BRP
>
>   > The first poplar measured was 134.51 feet tall and 7 feet 11 inches in 
> girth. The second measured was 139.60 feet tall and 9 feet 5 1/2 inches in 
> girth. Does anyone in ENTS have any idea of how old these trees would be? My 
> guess is about 100 years.
>
>   > James Parton
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