Don,
I've taken the very route you described. Enchanting. A different world. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "DON BERTOLETTE" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:17:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ENTS] Re: San Jacinto Mountain Bob/Eli/Tom- Can't believe I haven't yet done the PS tram, but that doesn't mean I haven't been up on the mountain...there's a road that switchbacks up the mountain from the small town of Banning (just around the corner from PS), and captures even more of a panorama, catching the southern exposure of the range that runs along I-10, then around to smaller towns like Yucaipa, etc. That road goes on through Idylwild, a wonderful little mountain town as described by Tom, and from there one can take backroads all the way into the east side of San Diego...and wonderful backroads they are! I can't think of a better way to introduce folks to Southern California than to say travel from Joshua Tree National Monument down to Banning then to San Diego...whole different experience than the angst ridden one Bob describes. And the array of pies that await you at my second most favorite pie shop in Julian...mmmmm, mmmmmm, mmmmmm! Favorite? Razzleberry Crumb, or was it....?! Back to trees, in the parlance of the Southwest, I consider San Jacinto and many of the ranges to the south that pop up out of nowhere, as Sky Islands, and as they are wont to do, they often harbor endemic species, relicts of another time. One that comes to mind is the big-cone Douglas fir (Pseudotsuga macrocarpa?)...and yes Coulter pine are common at certain elevations. Years ago, I was sent out with a crew from the Daniel Boone NF to fight fires, in this case at Mt. Palomar observatory. While we did do some control burns at first, we then were tasked with establishing a perimeter around the observatory itself. There's a state park that we also improved protection on, that harbored the Coulter Pines, and big-cone Doug firs...there were nice groves of quite tall trees if memory serves me rightly. The motorcycle- or sports car-perfect road up from Banning to Idlywild runs through an interesting mixed conifer zone that impressed me with it's lack of recent disturbance (then, it's quite likely that wildfires in the last decade may have taken a toll since). I'll be visiting my folks in Yucca Valley over the holidays (yep they're still alive and kicking at 90 and 91), and will have some tree measuring gear along...I'll see if I can't manage a trip report! -Don Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:01:31 -0700 From: [email protected] Subject: [ENTS] Re: San Jacinto Mountain To: [email protected] I wasn't yet bitten by the tree bug at that time, so I'd love to re-visit with my new-found passion and a DBH tape! --- On Sat, 7/18/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [ENTS] Re: San Jacinto Mountain To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 8:41 AM Eli, I wonder who else out there has visited those really big mountains of southern California. I am psyched to return to them and renew the acquaintance. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli Dickerson" <[email protected]> To: [email protected], [email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 11:32:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ENTS] Re: San Jacinto Mountain Howard and Bob, I too have been fortunate enough to visit both San Jacinto and San Gorgonio while working in the Santa Monica Mountains a few years back. Both areas are truly amazing places and their proximity to the city made them quite accessible for me. I was always surprised at how (relatively) few people visited these areas. Kind of a mixed blessing. Lower visitation probably helps to protect these areas, but if more people know about these areas and appreciate them, then obviously that could lead to better protection as well. On a day trip up to the top of San Gorgonio I experienced my first touch of altitude sickness. Really a weird experience. Just above the tree line I got light headed and couldn't think straight. Finally made it the last 1/2 mile to the top and took what I thought was a 5 minute rest that was actually closer to 1 hour! Of course I had been a flat-lander from coastal SC so tackling a mountain like Gorgonio was a real challenge, but well worth it in the end. The views are spectacular and the mountain meadows, streams, flora, and fauna are remarkable. Thanks for reminding me of the awesomeness of those lofty SoCal peaks! ~Eli --- On Sat, 7/18/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [ENTS] Re: San Jacinto Mountain To: [email protected], [email protected] Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 7:36 AM Howard, My recollections of San Jacinto are much like yours. It is an awesome mountain. So is Mount San Gorgonio, not that far away in the San Bernardino Mountains. San Gorgonio is 11,499 feet in altitude. From its lofty summit one has commanding views of the Mojave Desert and dubious views of Los Angeles. I'll stop here before my bias against those giant areas of human congestion, pollution, and environmental destruction become the motivation for an unwelcome rant that serves no purpose, but to allow me to let off steam. Big trees go with big mountains and San Jacinto and San Gorgonio have both. As WNTS grows, the San Bernardinos would be an excellent location for a rendezvous. Thanks for reminding me of this magical place, so close to Los Angeles and Hollywood hoopla, yet so far away. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "thomas howard" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:26:37 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ENTS] San Jacinto Mountain ENTS, Speaking of big Western mountains and San Jacinto Mountain in particular, I have good memories of that awesome mountain. Back in 1971, San Jacinto was the first Western mountain I visited. When I first saw it from the west (near Hemet) I couldn’t believe what I saw, a mountain twice as high as anything I’ve seen in the East; it looked like a gigantic ocean wave thrown up to the top of the sky. Adirondack sized mountains nearby looked like mere hills. High up on San Jacinto was (and is) a vast old growth forest of about 35,000 acres. That especially seemed hard to believe as we climbed 5000’ up the barren lower slopes. Ponderosa (and almost certainly Coulter) Pines suddenly appeared in the rocky landscape at 5000’, the lowest level of the great old growth forest. This old growth forest contained the largest trees I’d seen up to that time – along a trail at 8000’ east of where we camped at the Willow Creek crossing in the San Jacinto Wilderness were several immense Ponderosa and Jeffrey Pines, and White Firs; the largest tree was a rugged battered old White Fir that seemed to be at least 10’ dbh and 175’ tall – it’s still the largest Fir I’ve ever seen in North America. Another area of great trees was at Round Valley (I believe that’s the place) at 8400’ just below the Mountain Station of the Palm Springs Aerial Tramway, with huge Ponderosa and Jeffrey Pines easily 4’-6’+ dbh. In the village of Idyllwild, the loveliest mountain town I’ve ever seen with houses set among towering pines, I saw huge Incense Cedars with big U-shaped arching limbs. On a later trip (1974) I took the Palm Springs Aerial Tramway and from there hiked to San Jacinto’s 10,800’ summit, still the highest point I’ve ever been to. Trees up there were a lot smaller, mostly Lodgepole Pines, due to harsh conditions. It was incredible to look down on the desert 2 miles below; the city of Palm Springs is only 500’ above sea level. On that day it was 114 degrees F in Palm Springs but 72 degrees at the Tramway Mountain Station at 8500’, and even cooler at the summit – it had been 35 degrees that morning at Mountain Station, coldest temperature in USA that day. San Jacinto would be a great place for ENTS/WNTS to get accurate tree height, girth, and age measurements. Tom Howard 7/18/2009 Windows Live™ SkyDrive™: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. Windows Live™ SkyDrive™: Store, access, and share your photos. See how. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
