Gary,

You're right.  The Massasauga's range ends part way into NY.

PJ

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Gary A Beluzo <[email protected]> wrote:

> Paul,
>
> We have timber rattlesnakes and copperheads associated with several
> mountain chains in western MA but I have never heard of massassagua rattlers
> in MA.
> Most if the dens have been cleared so both snakes are very uncommon and on
> the endangered species list.
>
> Gary
>
> Prof. Gary A. Beluzo
> Systems Ecologist
> Holyoke Comm College
> 303 Homestead Ave
> Holyoke, MA. 01040
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Paul Jost <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Jenny,
>
> We have timber rattlesnakes and massasauga rattlesnakes here in Wisconsin,
> states to the west and south, and all the way east to New York state and
> into New England!  The most visible snakes in Wisconsin are garter snakes,
> but the most common seems to be the smaller northern red-bellied snake.  I
> rarely see some other species, too.
>
> PJ
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:44 PM, < <[email protected]>[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> That's pretty cool info. What do we have up north besides gentle garter
>> snakes? (and Madoff...) Jenny
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jess Riddle < <[email protected]>[email protected]>
>> To: <[email protected]>[email protected]
>> Sent: Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:38 pm
>> Subject: [ENTS] Venomous snakes in north Georgia
>>
>>
>> Ents,
>>
>> The snake pictures amongst the Cohutta photos seem to have generated
>> some interest, so I'll add a little more context for them.  When I
>> used to average four days a week hiking in the southern Appalachians,
>> I would typically see only one or two venomous snakes per year.  The
>> two I saw on this past trip matches my record for a one week period.
>> Of course, who knows how many I've walked past in huckleberry
>> thickets.
>>
>> In my experience, the venomous snakes in the Appalachians are not
>> aggressive.  If you don't mess with them, they won't mess with you.
>> The timber rattlesnake in the photograph never rattled even with five
>> people and a dog walking past it.  I've stepped within a foot of
>> rattlesnake without it moving and seen people step as close to
>> copperheads without provoking a reaction.  I'm sure there is some
>> variation from individual to individual, and I've certainly irritated
>> some rattlesnakes, so I didn't push my luck with the photographs and
>> used my camera's zoom from about five feet away.
>>
>> Venom is energetically expensive to produce and has a high opportunity
>> cost in terms of catching prey.  Hence, relying on camouflage (see
>> copperhead photo), rattling, or dry biting improves snakes' chances of
>> long term survival and reproduction.
>>
>> Jess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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