Tim

     Tony DeAmato dated a red spruce on Greylock to 411 years. I've  
dated them to around 250. Massachusetts definitely has some ancient  
red spruce. Locations where I've seen old red spruce in include:

      Mt Greylock SR
      Savoy Mtn SF
      Mohawk Trail SF
      Windsor Jambs
      Monroe SF
      Power Co land in Deerfield Gorge

     There are other sites with moderately old spruce (150 - 200 yrs),  
but usually not many.

Bob


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On Oct 20, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Timothy Zelazo <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ed & Bob:
>
> I just measured 7 feet along a phone cord, then I made a circle to  
> give me a visual size of a 7' girth. Some of the Red Spruce girths  
> maybe were 6' or 7'.  Are the spruce 150 plus years old?  I didn't  
> take many photos because it was raining hard and the camera lens was  
> always covered with water.  I need to hug a few trees and see what  
> my arm span is so I can always have a gauge with me.  I think some  
> of the spruce had a 2 foot dbh.  Next time I head up slope, I'll put  
> my ENTS hat on.
>
> Tim
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Edward Frank <[email protected]>  
> wrote:
> Tim, Bob,
>
> I am not sure what a good size would be for Red Spruce in Mass.  One  
> comment though is that pockets of trees left behind by logging,  
> those specimens at the limits of their range, or existing as  
> disjunct populations are not always the largest of their species.  
> Indeed they are often stunted and small in size when compared to  
> those in the heart of their range which belies the actual age of the  
> specimens.  When looking at uncommon species like this, you should  
> be considering how old they might be based upon their form and  
> associated trees and not jus ton size.  Exemplary size should not be  
> the only criterion for determining the worth of a site or tree  
> specimen, or whether or not it is worth documenting, or studying.
>
> Ed
>
> "Oh, I call myself a scientist.  I wear a white coat and probe a  
> monkey every now and then, but if I put monetary gain ahead of  
> preserving nature...I couldn't live with myself." - Professor Hubert  
> Farnsworth
>
>
>
>
> >
> <Copy of Base of Red Spruce.JPG>
> <Copy of Stoney Ledge.JPG>

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