There are eighty (80) species, not eight (8).

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Timothy Zelazo <[email protected]> wrote:

> Guaiacum officinale, Lignum vitae is the hardest, heaviest and
> closest-grained wood known and has a density almost equal to iron.  The
> weight is about 83 lbs. per cubic foot with a specific gravity of 1.3.  It
> also has the ability to withstand the great working pressue of 2,000 lbs.
> per square inch and has resistance to the action of many mild chemicals and
> acids.  One application is for propeller-shaft bearings in the largest
> liners.
>
> There are about eight distinct botanical species which are listed and
> referred to as ironwoods.  A few are Billian, Hophornbeam Eastern, Ipil,
> Mesua, Pau d'Arco, Pau Ferro, Pyinkado, Quebracho, and Hornbeam European.
> The common name "ironwood" is generally applied to whatever wood in any
> particular section of the country is considered the densest and the hardest.
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Timothy Zelazo <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Cornus florida has a cubic weight per foot of 50 lbs. also used for
>> golf-club heads.
>>
>> Xylia xylocarpa, Pyinkado known as the iron wood of Burma weighs 70 to 81
>> lbs. per cubic foot.
>>
>> Andira inermis, Partridge wood is about 75 lbs. per cubic foot which
>> emanates from Venezuela and Colombia.
>>
>> Prosopis glandulosa, Mesquite averages 55 lbs. per cu. ft. and found in
>> Arizona, Texas, and Oklahoma.
>>
>> Carpinus betulus, European Hornbeam is considered one of the hardest woods
>> growing in England.
>>
>> Ostyra virginiana, Eastern Hophornbeam is about 51 lbs per cu ft.
>>
>> Russ, thanks for the walking stick info.  I've experienced the same
>> results when working the species you mentioned.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 2:21 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> ENTS:
>>>
>>> Of all the smaller eastern trees I would give dogwood, Cornus florida a
>>> vote for one of the hardest woods.  Over the years I have used all sorts of
>>> woods for walking sticks and I have found that dogwood does not split or
>>> splinter like hickory and it doesn't shred or warp like hophornbeam.
>>> Hornbeam, Carpinus caroliniana, seems to be fairly soft, it is easy to cut
>>> with a knife it splits extremely easily and it will rot while you are
>>> looking at it.
>>>
>>> Ostrya viginiana, hophornbeam splits extremely easily and warps very
>>> badly.
>>>
>>> Walking sticks made out of dogwood never split on the point end and with
>>> daily use will wear at a rate of less than half an inch a year.  Nothing
>>> else compares in terms of wear and no tree I have tried for a walking stick
>>> has been more stable than dogwood is once it has seasoned.
>>>
>>> Oak and ash walking sticks break much easier than dogwood and are much
>>> heavier
>>>
>>> If you make a walking stick out of dogwood it is best to dig out the
>>> entire tree and trim the roots with loppers.  The best size tree is, usually
>>> about 1" in diameter and has a straight stem for at least four feet above
>>> the root collar.  Carve the handle out of the root ball.  You can almost
>>> always get a very comfortable hook to it.  In my walks around the steep
>>> hills of WV a dogwood walking stick has become my third leg....the one that
>>> never slips.
>>>
>>> When freshly, cut a dogwood tree can be carved into a walking stick with
>>> just a jack knife but once it dries it is like trying to carve bone.
>>>
>>> When completely dried the wood is very light, which would mean it is weak
>>> if one of the measures of strength is density.
>>>
>>> The walking stick in the photo is over five years old.  The patina that
>>> develops from long term use makes it very comfortable to hold and after
>>> several years of use it becomes a fairly reliable tool.....that hook on the
>>> end is extremely helpful to pull the tip of a 10' high limb down close
>>> enough to tie plastic ribbon when you are marking a trail in dense brush.
>>>
>>> Other woods may be slightly harder in certain uses but nothing I've
>>> encountered compares to the utility of a dogwood tree.
>>>
>>>
>>> Russ
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Timothy Zelazo <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Sent: Sat, Oct 31, 2009 1:52 pm
>>> Subject: [ENTS] Re: What's the hardest hardwood?
>>>
>>>  Carpinus caroliniana is American hornbeam (bluebeech, water beech) and
>>> Ostrya virginiana is Eastern hophornbeam and had the common name "ironwood"
>>> often applied to this species.  The Textbook of Dendrology by Harlow and
>>> Harrar Fifth Edition published by McGraw-Hill.  This was the info they were
>>> pushing over thirty years ago when I studied forestry.  The two trees look
>>> very different in the forest.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Josh Kelly <[email protected]
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don,
>>>>
>>>> On the contrary, I think I noted hop hornbeam (Ostrya virgiana) in my
>>>> earlier post.
>>>>
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 1:11 pm, DON BERTOLETTE <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> > Josh-
>>>> >
>>>> > I guess that 'ironwood' (aka eastern hophornmeam, American hornbeam,
>>>> Ostrya virginiana; member of the Betulaceae), member of the  doesn't rate 
>>>> in
>>>> this exotic group?
>>>> >
>>>> > -Don
>>>> >
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>>
>>
>

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