Dale/Bob-

You guys are facing the same conundrum that land managing foresters face, 
albeit from the other direction...forest mensurationists rely on biostatistical 
analysis, and my poor grasp of that at least acknowledges the role of the 
sample size plays in obtaining given levels of accuracy. 

Knowing the level of accuracy you want, I am not sure it is do-able unless you 
were singularly focused on that one task...which is unlikely in either of your 
cases...the rest is deciding how inaccurate of analysis you can stand.

-Don
 


Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:36:16 +0000
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ENTS] Re: Continuing the mission




Dale,


You've performed an incredibly valuable service and have placed Cook Forest 
State Park legitimately at the head of the list. That is more than enough. 
Plus, I'm retired and can devote the time. I also want to get a handle on 
volume growth of the pines on an annual basis, both individual trees and 
stands. Perhaps others can convert the volume growth directly into carbon 
sequestration - a practical application. I'm convinced that traditional methods 
of keeping track of the radial growth of these pines does not translate into 
reliable volume growth. There are likely some high-powered mensurationsts who 
can do the job, but their work and methods has not filtered down, at least not 
that I've seen. 


Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Luthringer" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2009 8:05:44 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [ENTS] Re: Continuing the mission


Bob,
 
Wow, the Jake Swamp is almost there...
 
I'm not sure if I'll ever re-measure all of Cook's pines, but re-measuring some 
of the upper 150's and 160's is doable...
 
Dale


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:12 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:



ENTS, 


Today I led an interpretive walk at MTSF for a Greenfield Community College 
environmental science class. Before the walk, I spent about an hour remeasuring 
4 white pines as part of an ENTS update of  significant trees on DCR 
properties. I took extra time to get repetitive values. The measurements follow.




Tree Species  Height Girth Crown Spread Champ Tree Pts


Jake Swamp WP 169.3 10.5 46.2 307


Mirror  WP 156.4 11.2 44.0 302


Tom Porter WP 157.1    8.6 35.0 269


Paula Horn WP 154.4 10.6 47.0 293




The slow task of remeasuring literally hundreds of trees has to be a labor of 
love. But why do it? Well, for a variety of reasons. One way to bring attention 
to an outstanding public forest is to gather data on it in a systematic way and 
present the data to the resource manager. The impressively tall trees of Mohawk 
should not remain anonymous. Their story should be told in numbers. Can't think 
of anything I'd rather be doing.


Bob





                                          
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