I was wondering about that deer, so it was real. I think that falls 
under the category of abusing the singer, at least whoever did the set 
design. Sometimes things don't need to be so realistic to get the point 
across :-)

Yep nature metaphors are a double edged sword, you want to be able to 
communicate to a wide audience. At the same time the power of the 
metaphor can be diluted or co-opted/redirected by commercial/marketing 
forces. I guess that's why I think forest and nature metaphors/myths 
need to be reinvented and reinvigorated to stay ahead of 
"disneyification".  Ok stop me now, I'm no cultural intellectual :-)

The comfort factor you mentioned is important, one of the big roles for 
nature and forest imagery/art.

I agree that your city trees and birds are indeed nature, and all the 
more important to the city dweller whose appreciation is sharpened. I 
like to think of a tree next to a parking lot or surrounded by buildings 
as a vertical zone of wildness. As discussed in earlier threads, those 
urban pocket parks are at the very least lifesavers for migrating birds.

Great little Hartley sketch, inspiring.
-AJ

[email protected] wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> I wish you had been there to help me psychologically deal with that 
> stag! Between wearing those boys clothes that were too big and getting 
> poked by the pins holding the fur on the carcass (no, not a fake 
> deer), you can only imagine what I thought about metaphors at the time...
>
> I sure agree with you about nature metaphors becoming banal. And in 
> opera, 'metaphor abuse' can be rampant.  They can become an 
> intellectual exercise that doesn't have much to do with expressing 
> anything except how clever you are.
>
> What an awesome experience it must be to climb. And to climb with the 
> purpose of knowing a tree or a forest, not just for sport. 
>
> Probably overuse of simplified concepts of nature have compromised art 
> forms. It's hard not to do it, because there is comfort in holding on 
> to your minds' ideas. Working with and photographing urban birds and 
> trees forces me to get rid of any romanticized notions.  I have to 
> look at these guys living in impossible environments with life 
> expectancies much much less than what they would be in a non-urban 
> environment (street trees average about 7 years I think and doves get 
> 1.5 - 2 years although capable of living more than 15), yet not jump 
> to conclusions about the quality of their lives. (maybe urban trees 
> and birds don't qualify as nature to most people, but they sure do to 
> people living in a city.)
>
> I don't know what direction I've veered off into, but thanks for the 
> thought provoking comments. 
>
> Just discovered this Marsden Hartley picture of birches. I'm sure you 
> know him, but fyi he's a Maine born artist. 
>
> Jenny
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Joslin <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Mon, Nov 16, 2009 12:43 pm
> Subject: Re: [ENTS] Forests/Trees in opera (don't delete! not that bad!)
>
> Sorry, I'd missed the photo of Jenny singing in front of the deer. 
> Shades of Joseph Beuys!
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Beuys
>
> Bueys was tremendously intrigued with the power of mythical nature 
> imagery and symbols, the dead hanging stag is up there with the most 
> powerful mythical/metaphorical images.
>
> Indeed the forest is a deeply important metaphor in art/literature. The 
> danger is that the forest metaphor has been trivialized into 
> postcard/calendar imagery and is losing the power to connect more deeply 
> into our psyches. The simple activity (sometimes not so simple) of going 
> into the woods and measuring trees goes a long way towards 
> reestablishing the deep connection. The measuring activity is on one 
> level a straightforward mathematical exercise, albeit with the potential 
> for a twisted ankle or strained neck. The time in the woods spent 
> working through the terrain and gaining intimate knowledge of individual 
> trees refills the well of forest connection so-to-speak.
>
> This explains in part my own desire to climb up into trees, at that 
> point your life is supported by the tree (through the rope), the 
> metaphorical connection to the forest becomes direct reality. In the 
> Trout Book woods I noticed that perching awkwardly on a slippery steep 
> slope to get that narrow opening to the top twig of a tall ash was very 
> similar to being up in a tree.
>
> I'm all for more exploration of the art/music/poetic connection to the 
> forest. One of our jobs is to reinvigorate that connection, some of the 
> myths may be getting stale, I think the ENTS are on the right track 
> towards an update :-)
> -Andrew
>
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Yup, just what you all were waiting for...
> >
> > This is part of an email I sent to Kouta along with a picture: 
> >
> > Kouta,
> >
> > Here's the only production pic I could find that is slightly woods 
> > related. In Handel's Partenope, Rosmira is enraged by boyfriend's 
> > infidelity and goes to the woods and kills that deer!  Having that 
> > beast in the aria was a mixed blessing; everyone loved it and it 
> > looked cool, but I had to jump on it and climb up which made singing 
> > really hard...This was a great production from New York City 
> > Opera/Glimmerglass Opera. 
> >
> > Handel wrote some good tree and woods tunes. Ombra mai fu (Persian 
> > King  Xerxes sings love song to tree - I wonder what 
> > kind?),http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Jh7DF1nxY  and 
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Jh7DF1nxY%A0%A0and> Care Selve come 
> > to mind. 
> >
> > Hey, Hansel und Gretel must be the ultimate Forest opera, though, 
> > right! The sound isn't good but this is so 
> > cute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m7bGzxLzuo   
> >
> > (fyi, other fascinated and rapt ENTS: the characters are both played 
> > by women. I would be Hansel - the lower voice)
> >
> > Jeanne d'Arc in Tchaikivsky's Maid of Orleans sings a tremendous aria 
> > "Adieu Foret" (link to Jessye Norman 
> > performance; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5hSc78uZyw) And 
> > Sondheim's Into the Woods, while not operatic, deserves mention
> >
> > This is fun! Any other tree/forest musical references come to mind?
> >
> > Jenny
> >
> >
> >
> >
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