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* Sand Run revisited [4 updates] * A Large Tree article in 1849 [2 updates] Topic: Sand Run revisited<http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees/t/22e2ec5831e9a475> [email protected] Nov 15 02:29AM Wow! What are the diameters on those puppies? Dan Steve, I think you all just set the Ohio tall tree record and that beech is off the charts. Can't wait for the full report. Thanks to you and Randy, the Ohio team is really making significant contributions. Thanks from the rest of us. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Galehouse" <[email protected]> To: "ENTS" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:05:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ENTS] Sand Run revisited ENTS- Earlier this year I reported on Sand Run Metropark, part of the Akron Metropark, Ohio system, and today revisited with fellow ENT Randy Brown, friend Dave Shoemaker, and oldest son Mitch. It was a great day, with sunshine and 70F--very unusual for Northern Ohio in mid-November. The steep narrow valleys of the park, which lead into the Cuyahoga River floodplain, lend themselves to tall trees. Together Randy and I discovered a 158.1 Tuliptree, Randy found a 143.6' Beech, and many other tall trees. We'll soon have a Rucker Index for the site. Steve -- Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] "George Fieo" <[email protected]> Nov 14 10:11PM -0500 Steve, Awesome trees! I'm anxious to hear the rest of the report. George From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ENTS] Sand Run revisited Steve, I think you all just set the Ohio tall tree record and that beech is off the charts. Can't wait for the full report. Thanks to you and Randy, the Ohio team is really making significant contributions. Thanks from the rest of us. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Galehouse" <[email protected]> To: "ENTS" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:05:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [ENTS] Sand Run revisited ENTS- Earlier this year I reported on Sand Run Metropark, part of the Akron Metropark, Ohio system, and today revisited with fellow ENT Randy Brown, friend Dave Shoemaker, and oldest son Mitch. It was a great day, with sunshine and 70F--very unusual for Northern Ohio in mid-November. The steep narrow valleys of the park, which lead into the Cuyahoga River floodplain, lend themselves to tall trees. Together Randy and I discovered a 158.1 Tuliptree, Randy found a 143.6' Beech, and many other tall trees. We'll soon have a Rucker Index for the site. Steve -- Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -- Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] "Edward Frank" <[email protected]> Nov 14 10:12PM -0500 Steve, Randy, Mitch, Sounds lie a great trip. The beech is very impressive as is the tuliptree. I look forward to seeing the full report. Ed Check out my new Blog: http://nature-web-network.blogspot.com/ (and click on some of the ads) Steve Galehouse <[email protected]> Nov 14 10:46PM -0500 ENTS, Bob, George- Here are several of photos taken today. The first shows the narrow valley landscape typical of the area, the second shows a Tuliptree measured to 157', (and larger in diameter than the tallest measured), and the third shows the 143.6' Beech(in center of photo, mid-distance). There are lots of small deep coves to be explored in this area, with the depth of the small valleys increasing the heights of the trees. I think it might be possible to break 160' for Tuliptree---they are by far the most dominant and conspicuous tree in the area. This will be a good Winter project. Interestingly, Sugar and Black Maple were present, but scarce. Norway Maple was intruding, along with burning bush and Japanese Holly. Steve Topic: A Large Tree article in 1849<http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees/t/661d5c8dce149661> "Paul Jost" <[email protected]> Nov 14 07:08PM -0600 Instead of a gross exaggeration, based upon the diameter and trees that we have seen of approaching similar diameter, it could have been a double... PJ ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Zelazo To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: [ENTS] A Large Tree article in 1849 ENTS:  While I was doing some historic research on the cultural history of the Natural Bridge State Park, located in North Adams Massachusetts, I found an interesting article in the Weekly Transcript, North Adams, Mass., Thursday, July 12, 1849.  A Large Tree. --- Mr. D. E. Hawks, of Charlemont, cut a Pine tree a short time since, of the following dimensions. It was 7 feet through 10 feet from the stump, and 5 feet through 50 feet from the stump. Twenty-two logs were taken from the tree, the average length of which were 12 feet. Fourteen feet of the tree were spoiled in falling. The extreme length of the tree from the stump to the top twigs was 300 feet! ---- Greenfield Gazette.   I asked Robert Campanile if he thought this was possible and here is the response he gave me.  TREE GENETICS There can be enormous variation among the different individuals of any one species and this is partly genetic. For instance, grain and figure may vary, just like human fingerprints. There may be no specific benefit from such variation. But if there is no great natural selective pressure not to vary, then variations will creep in. Genomes are not commandments, which say exactly what to do come what may. Genes present options. They operate in dialogue with the environment. So the same tree, grown under different circumstances, could grow in very different ways, and the effects of the different circumstances are reflected in the timber, height, width, etc. The growing timber responds to the stresses and strains and pressures just as the bone of mammals may do. In forests, trees grow straight and tall, anxious for the light. That and the resources needed to accomplish that growth will be factors in determining the height and shape of the tree needed to get the light. Conifers are generally light lovers. To this end they have a trick – many can grow very tall very quickly. This is why in the far north they tend to be very tall and thin – the sun is always low in the sky and so they get most of their light from the side. The environment dictates the conditions and the challenge, and genes can sometimes help meet that challenge with the variance in growth and natural processes that the genetic code allows.  Tim  　 -- Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] Bob <[email protected]> Nov 14 10:00PM -0500 Ed, Tim, Gary, Don, et al, White pines that rise significantly above the surrounding canopy are at extra risk from wind events. So our mythical 300-hundred footer would have had to be in an area that received plenty of protection from the wind. Additionally, it would have needed to be in an area that possesses the right kind of soil for tall white pines (sand- silt), receives sufficient moisture, etc. But even if these conditions were met, what would be the incentive for a pine to continue growing to eventually reach such an improbable height? Competition? White pines reach their greatest heights in stands (with rare exceptions). So our mythical pine would have likely had company. The 300-footer would have had 250-footer companions. The scenario becomes wildly improbable. Bob Sent from my iPhone -- Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -- Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected]
