Paul: Basswood, Kentucky coffee-tree, and bur oak should be good even with all the pests coming. If we can keep out the asian long-horned beetle, then the disease resistant elms, hackberry, cottonwood and sycamore will also be OK.
Lee Paul Jost wrote: > Lee, > > Unfortunately, most people don't care about these until the tree in > their yard dies! > > Considering the array of pests and diseases, and you certainly didn't > list them all, are there any trees that are immune to all the major > pests? Maybe basswood/linden? > > Paul > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Lee Frelich <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Paul: > > Once again, good points. We have swung back and forth between > so-called > liberal and conservative leaders, and in the mean time we got emerald > ash borer, dutch elm disease, hemlock wooley adelgid, balsam fir wooly > adelgid (which is now in Maine), butternut canker, beech bark disease, > Asian long-horned beetle, sudden oak death, sirex wood wasp, and > forest > decline caused by earthworms, deer and climate change. > > Lee > > Paul Jost wrote: > > Lee, > > > > Yes, arguing about politics leads to distraction from the real > > issues. The national press caters to their audience for higher > > ratings and to get their viewers emotionally involved. There is > often > > little real content once the discussions begin to evolve, but are > > effective in increasing the polarization of our country based upon a > > subset of the issues that we all have to deal with. In a family > of 9, > > roughly half of my family swings to the left and half to the right, > > all to varying degrees. Only my dad is addicted to the national > > TV/Radio shows, probably because he has more free time to do so than > > any of us. Thankfully, the shows have not been successful in > reeling > > me in. > > > > Among my disappointments with our country is the extent to which > > forest issues get lost in modern politics. As people lose their > ties > > to the land, clean air and water seem to be the only important > > environmental issues. There seems to be no national party that > > adequately supports wildlife and wild lands issues. > > > > Paul > > > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Lee Frelich <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > > > Paul: > > > > Good points--you must be a true Midwesterner. Must have been > those > > "shock shows" as you termed them on Fox that I was watching that > > accidentally started this whole discussion. As I said, they > weren't > > liberal or conservative, just irrational. Good thing I only > watch > > daytime TV once a year while having my car repaired. > > > > I do have a lot of fun watching other people accusing each > other of > > being liberal or conservative. Unfortunately, however, that > activity > > takes up almost all of the political scene and as a result, we > > don't pay > > any serious attention to problems that need to be solved. > > > > Lee > > > > Paul Jost wrote: > > > Come on, open your mind. CNN and MSNBC are horrible > reporters, as > > > horribly liberal slanted as Fox is horribly conservative > slanted. > > > Excluding the shock shows, Fox tends to more accurately > report both > > > sides while still slanting conservative while the others > put in only > > > token efforts to report the conservative viewpoints. None > of the > > > national press sources are even close to being balanced. > Both state > > > many truths mixed with omissions and distortions. If you > believe > > > otherwise, than you only accept lies that support your > view point, > > > which is not necessarily a good thing, but maybe to you it is. > > > > > > The truth is that the press on both sides has an agenda > and slants > > > their reporting accordingly. Both parties have good > points and bad > > > points on their platforms. Neither is the right choice. > > > Unfortunately, the other choices aren't realistic winners > any time > > > soon. This is why many midwesterners tend to be middle of the > > > roaders, handpicking moderate candidates that lean their > way. For > > > some reason, the more urban coast dwellers feel the need > to be more > > > polarized and are condescending to eachother regarding their > > > viewpoints, both arrogantly asserting their correctness > over the > > other. > > > > > > Admit it. There is not perfect party, and at different > levels, > > local, > > > state, national, the right choice is not always from the > same party. > > > ...and with the level of corruption that increases at the > higher > > > levels, I'd argue that most of the time, there is no right > > choice. We > > > have all heard many examples of anti-environmental policy by > > > conservatives, but the liberals are guilty of similar > practices at > > > times, too. Here is one example that comes to mind, out > of many. > > > Hopefully, all my recollections are accurate. > > > > > > Many liberals champion Clinton's environmental policy, > while many at > > > regional and state levels that were affected by his poorer > > > environmental policies, chastised him. There was a > western old > > growth > > > preservationist group called something like Environmentalists > > Against > > > Clinton, or something like that. There were others like the > > Siskiyou > > > Regional Education Project. Easterners never heard about > them. The > > > liberal national press didn't give them or their issues any > > coverage. > > > They were angered by Clinton's signing of legislation with the > > Salvage > > > Rider which re-enabled logging of forests that had only months > > earlier > > > been protected, or assumed to be protected by the nationally > > > publicized spotted owl protection effort. Once things > quieted down, > > > he reopened logging under another name. The roadless area > > protection > > > that Clinton is credited with was passes as an executive order > > during > > > his last days as president so that he wouldn't have to > deal with > > it's > > > negative political impacts against rich lobbyists until > after the > > > election. At least through the end of Bush's first term, > more old > > > growth forest was logged during the Clinton years. With > what was > > > reported at the time, you would think that in Bush's first > term, he > > > would have surpassed the Clinton era's logging of old > growth forests > > > in the west. A quick internet search came up with this > text from > > > that time: > > http://www.fireecology.org/research/post_rider_salvage.htm > > > > > > There is NO right party. Both of them really stink!!! > Stop the > > > superiority complex attitudes and open your minds a > little.. Geez! > > > Given the lessons of the past, and all the rhetoric coming > from the > > > current administration, I won't believe that Obama is any > better > > until > > > he accomplishes something significant without continuing > to ruin our > > > economy. (Yes, continuing down the path of economic > > self-distruction > > > of ALL the recent past presidents during my lifetime.) > > > > > > Paul J. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Ariel <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: > > > > > > "I could say the same about CNN and the other networks" > > > > > > No, you couldn't. Only Faux News blatantly makes > things up. > > The > > > rest simply confuse 'balance' for objectivity. > > > > > > > > > /Lin/ > > > / > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > --- On *Tue, 12/22/09, Will Fell /<[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>>/* > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Will Fell <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> > > > Subject: [ENTS] Re: A little story > > > To: "ENTSTrees" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>>> > > > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 9:49 AM > > > > > > I too am a conservative and an environmentalist. I > could say > > > the same > > > about CNN and the other networks which are nothing > more > > than the > > > publicity arm of the current administration. Ed > makes a > > good point > > > about the NRA and if you look at the current > enviromental > > > groups THAT > > > REALLY do make a difference, they hew somewhat to the > > same narrow > > > focus. > > > > > > On Dec 21, 10:12 pm, Barry Caselli > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > > <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > > > wrote: > > > > You say "Fox Network". Are you referring to the > local Fox > > > affiliate, or The Fox News Channel? The Fox News > Channel is > > > one of my all-time favorite channels. > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 12/21/09, Lee Frelich > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Lee Frelich <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > > > > Subject: Re: [ENTS] A little story > > > > To: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > > <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 5:55 PM > > > > > > > > Bob: > > > > > > > > Similar thing happened to me at the Buick dealer in > > > Minneapolis two > > > > weeks ago, except the TV was set on Fox network. > I had no > > > idea that TV > > > > was such irrational nonsense. If I though it > would do any > > > good, I would > > > > write in and tell the FCC that Fox should not be > > relicensed > > > to broadcast > > > > when their current license expires. > > > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > > <http://us.mc562.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > ENTS, > > > > > > > > > Back when I was younger, before my hair turned > gray and > > > starting > > > > > falling out, I imagined how I might recognize the > > onset of > > > decline > > > > > into old age with its attendant feelings of > > powerlessness > > > and the > > > > > eventual oblivion? > > > > > > > > > This morning I think I discovered the metric > needed, > > while > > > waiting for > > > > > my car to be serviced at the local Buick > dealer. It > > was a > > > little too > > > > > raw to go outside and wander around looking at > > trees, so I > > > stuck it > > > > > out in the waiting room, which meant I was exposed > > to the > > > T.V. set. > > > > > Game shows. Horror of horrors. Two little old > ladies had > > > copped the > > > > > set were glued to the wins and losses. They > discouraged > > > any thoughts > > > > > of channel changing with piercing looks. I audibly > > mumbled my > > > > > displeasure, but wasn't about to chance getting > > swatted by > > > an old > > > > > lady's purse.. I sullenly set through the hoopla. > > > > > > > > > Game shows. What better measure of mental > decline than a > > > tally of the > > > > > number of hours spent watching giddy contestants > > > alternately scream > > > > > and bawl and confirm our addiction to > materialism. 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