Nearly every historical account of virgin forest or old growth that I have 
found for Wisconsin was logged after publishing if it was publicized before 
the state natural area program was started.  There are a few exceptions on 
public and private land, but for the most part, they all ended up being dead 
ends from a tree hunt perspective if they hadn't been immediately protected 
somehow.  You will likely find many accounts and most will probably be dead 
ends, too.

Paul

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Subject: Re: [ENTS] a couple more NJ possibilities


> Haven't found much anything on the west pond ravine on the internet (an 
> 1895
> geological survey report of NJ said it was well known to contain virgin
> timber never so much as even mildly selectively cut).
>
> it's hard to know if anything has happened to it since then
>
> a major project opened up in the area that required tons of timber from 
> 1917
> to 1960 or so but I think that was a but farther to the west in the
> Wawayanda area
>
> it does seem hard to believe that an unknown virgin timber ravine perhaps
> longer than 2 miles could actually be hidden in NJ but maybe....
>
> I did find this tidbit on a state site talking about the general area the
> ravine is in (it's a 2000+ contiguous acreage area, but the 1895 report 
> said
> that all the mountain tops and flatter areas had been utterly logged and
> burned to pieces with the worst quality timber in the state while the deep
> ravines where well known to have extensive older forest with the west pond
> ravine, in particular, known for having the wildest virgin timber not once
> ever touched):
> "....is isolated and untouched, accessible only on foot. Marshes and
> wetlands are scattered throughout the forest with several brooks and 
> streams
> crisscrossing the lower areas. Hemlock and oak are the dominant species of
> this relatively undisturbed forest."
>
> and as far as I can tell there are no known old dirt roads going into the
> main ravine area
>
> the last mile right after it makes a 90 turns and darts down to the towns 
> in
> the valley below has a paved road going through it (no easy access to the
> main portion from this road, narrow and twisty with no pullouts and the
> ravine drops down below off the edge), but the upper few miles at a ninety
> degree angle to this portion are road free to this day, in fact I think it
> might even be largely (completely?) trail free.
>
> anyway it seems like it will either be virgin timber or very young second
> growth depending what happened
>
>
>
>
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