Gold standard. -AJ [email protected] wrote: > Andrew, > > Not that it changes anything, but we like to keep everyone > informed. Will and I measured the Boogerman together. The Boogerman is > a Blozan-Leverett confirmation. > > Bob > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Joslin" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2010 7:42:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [ENTS] Re: White pine growth rates--something of interest > about growthpossibilities > > Spruce, I think you will find that ENTS who have been measuring and > studying white pine for a long time will agree that historical max > heights for the species were likely in the low 200's. We've discussed > this extensively and the conclusions is we'll probably never know but > the probability of a white pine reaching 250' is very low. There has > been verified exaggeration of white pine heights right up into recent > history. Human nature being what it is, the same dynamics of height > exaggeration (How big was that fish you caught?) combined with > non-standard or inaccurate measuring techniques contributed to the 250' > heights reported in the 1800's for the New England states. > > Here are some measurements on the Boogerman Pine recorded by Will > Blozan, first two entries in the list: > http://www.nativetreesociety.org/bigtree/webpage_tall_tree_list.htm > > Will is probably the most qualified eastern U.S. tree measurer and I'm > sure can speak with high credibility about the Boogerman Pine > measurements. No disrespect meant to the rest of the very talented ENTS > tree measurers :-) > > Andrew Joslin > Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts > > spruce wrote: > > I have to count myself as an "open minded" skptic about white pines > > over 200 feet tall, or at least significantly over, as the "early" > > reports would have us believe. > > > > Yes, I saw the report of the 207' white pine. I guess I can trust > > this report. But many are skeptical about trees that once were > > supposedly taller than they are now. The most famous case in point is > > the Founders Tree in Humboldt Redwoods State Park. It was once > > supposed to be the talest tree at 364'. Later when it was re- > > measured, with better equipment, or more carefully, maybe, it turned > > out to be 346 feet tall. Then the story was that the top was blown > > out of it, but there was never any evidence that it ever suffered any > > top damage. So.... > > > > --Gaines > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Jan 3, 5:31 pm, "x" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> if it really all bares out that is some interesting stuff (although one > >> wonders if they didn't study only plots that had been farmed or > clear cut > >> before or bruned over which might alter things) > >> > >> one thing though is there has already been a reliably measured > white pine > >> over 200'- in the catalochee area of the smoky mtns - 207' a few > years back, > >> although the top recently broke. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org > Send email to [email protected] > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en > To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] > -- > Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org > Send email to [email protected] > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en > To unsubscribe send email to [email protected]
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