--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fodor Gábor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello List,
> 
> Last week I used a roll of Ilford 400 film (B&W) in my EOS50, with 
EF
> 75-300 4-5,6 USM lens and Speedlite 380EX. The result was quite 
good but
> I noticed something on prints. Most of prints are exactly black and
> white but some are a little brown. I hope you understand how I mean.
> That was the first time I used b&w film. I used flash in the most of
> time for fill and directly and I took pictures without flash too. 
First
> I tought the reason was the ambient light coming through the 
windows but
> some pictures using flash were also affected.
> Was it  my failure or any other caused the brown colod?Does it the 
slow
> shutter speed?
> I would appreciate any of your comment.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Gabor

Gabour...even though I've used Canon cameras since 1976, I feel that 
my strong area is not shooting...it is Black and White Printing.

Please let me assure you that there is _Nothing_ that you could have 
done while shooting the photo's that would have caused the brown tone 
to appear on a B+W print!

Black and White (B+W) negatives (negs) are going to produce a B+W 
print when properly printed on B+W paper. 

What caused the tones to appear occurred in the printing stage, after 
the negs exposed the printing paper. During that stage one of three 
things were likely to blame. They were;

The B+W neg was printed using either color paper or pseudo B+W paper. 
This paper was then (probably) processed in a one-hour type machine 
using color chemistry. It is almost impossible to get a true fully 
tonal B+W print this way. In addition, the print is not
archival�it 
will fade or change color over time.

The second most probable reason for your brown tones is that the 
printer used true B+W paper�but after that he either miss
processed 
the paper, used deteriorating chemistry or did not wash the print 
correctly. This type of mistake guarantees a print that will quickly 
fade or turn color!

The third possibility and it is a good, al-be-it unlikely one;
The prints may be hand printed using either what is called a warm 
toned B+W paper or fiber based B+W paper. The printer then archivally 
processed (in B+W chemistry) and toned the pictures. This would give 
a brown or sepia tone. As I said this is unlikely as it is a time 
consuming (and expensive) process.

So rest assured you did not do anything during the time you took the 
photo that could have caused the tones.

_Loss Of Control Of The Image Came During The Printing Stage Of The 
Process_.

Often disappointed people come up to me with their one-hour printer 
prints. The prints are a disaster and the people are browbeating 
themselves and their equipment. Then we look at their negs. We find 
that sharpness, tonality and density are all present on the neg, and 
the processor was at fault not the photographer.

My advice? You can find a good lab (ask at a professional orientated 
camera shop or on this list for one close to where you live) or 
welcome yourself into a whole new world by learning how to print your 
own negs...it's an inexpensive, relaxing world where your only 
limitation is your imagination!

email me if you have questions...

jim


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