--- Chieh Cheng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip> (comment on complete digicam being cheaper than
SillyFilm product)
> True . . . but unfortunately not quite valid,
> because
> comparison should only be made between Silicon Film
> vs. Canon EOS or Silicon Film vs. Nikon SLR. If you
> consider EOS or Nikon SLR digital cameras, they are
> all
> far more costly than the Silicon Film EFS-1 unit.
I think judgement has to be reserved UNTIL IT CAN BE
DEMONSTRATED THAT THIS THING ACTUALLY WORKS. Sure, a
film EOS will always act as a EOS with film in it, but
nobody has proven to me that it will be a digital
camera with an EFS-1 in it. Period.
> Getting a complete digital camera for less money and
> higher resolution is possible but it's not a EOS or
> a Nikon SLR.
Yes, but... it will work as a digital camera, and was
designed from the ground up to *be* one.
> The basis of my point is from having a Olympus
> C-2500L digital camera with through-the-lens
> view-finder. Althought it can capture many shots my
> EOS camera can, it is still far more limited. With
> the
> wide array of lens I have for the EOS, I can do far
> more.
Can you preview images on an EFS-1 equipped EOS? No!
Can you selectively delete images on one? No!
Is there a lens for the EFS-1 EOS that will act like
the 35-105/whatever equivalent on the Oly? No!
Will you be able to shoot more than exposures,
including sequences, in it? No!
Can you stick more removable memory in it without
buying another SillyFilm cartridge? Can you put new
batteries in a SillyFilm cartridge once they are used
up? That isn't clear from the website!
What I'm getting at, is that since it will have no LCD
screen, all of the advantages of digital photography
are just about lost with this thing. It's got the
disadvantages of both film and digital, with not many
of the advatages. In an impractical and overpriced
package!
> It really should
> be
> compared to the Canon EOS D30 or the Nikon D1 or
> any of the other profession Canon/Nikon digital SLR
> series.
Again, these were designed from the get-go to be
digital cameras, and both have an LCD preview screen.
No finder masking is required, the optics will display
a fullsize image in the finder. The EFS-1/EOS combo is
at best a compromise.
> > -The number of shots for a battery charge is
> probably
> > very low.
<snip>
> Cannot comment on this. It is just speculation right
> now.
> Unless you know the exact power source EFS-1 is or
> will be using.
Unless there is a little nuclear reactor of the type
in cardiac pacemakers in there, we're stuck with
technology we know about: NiMH, NiCd, and Li-ION. None
have the kind of energy density we need to make this
thing work. They are limited by the price the thing
sells for, so I doubt the reactor is in there!
In something the size of a film cartridge, we have to
stuff: a microprocessor, a matrix decoder for the
sensor, any postprocessing electronics (sharpening,
noise reduction, compression, etc.), and memory for
the images to live in until they are downloaded; all
of which require power.
The batteries have to live in the space that's left...
not much! That is my main issue with this thing, and
the reason I think it cannot possibly work as
advertised/claimed, based on my knowledge of current
digicams and power sources.
I doubt that they will suprise me with superadvanced
technology with what they are asking.
<snip>
> > -The number of shots is probably very limited. So
> you
> > have to backup the pictures to the optional
> storage
> > media (costs money again) quite often.
>
> This applies to any digital camera. I have a bunch
> of
> media cards for my digital camera, which did not
> come
> with the original camera.
The $599 SillyFilm's claim is 24 images, which is
probably an exhausted cartridge battery, if we're
really lucky. With a $60 32mb flashcard in my $400
Minolta Dimage 1500EX, I get about 200 images at the
EFS-1 claimed resolution, 1.5 Mpxls, JPG-compressed.
Which is the ripoff? Aren't you better off just
spending less than $5 on another roll of film at that
point? ;-)
<SNIP>
> I don't think double exposure can be possible if the
> sensor is turned off when it is not ready. Others, I
> don't know. I recall them saying there is a beep
> when
> the cartridge is ready.
What if you go to continous mode shooting
accidentally? Lost shots. What if you shoot again
before the microprocessor is done scanning the sensor
and storing the picture? Lost or corrupted shots.
I'm VERY curious to see how they try to solve this
one. Again, since the whole package isn't
"integrated", you're going to have a comprimised
solution that has more disadvantages than advantages,
because the thing wasn't designed first and foremost
to be a digital camera.
MadMat
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