On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 19:04:15 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Subject: EOS Tokina 17mm-good choice?  

> Hi,
> I was thinking about the Tokina AT-X 17 mm lens. 
> Is it a good choice? Or how about new Sigma 
> 15-30mm? New Canon 16-35L is a bit too expensive
> for me, and 17-35L a lot of mixed reviews. So, 
> what is the best way to go beyond 20mm lens?
> S.

For almost the last 20 years I've owned a Tokina 17mm lens of one form or another.  I 
started with a Canon FD model, went to a Nikon autofocus variety and back to Canon 
with the EOS model.  Most of that time, the next widest lens I owned was a 28mm. While 
at many times I've wished I had a lens between 17mm and 28mm, I've never regretted 
owing one of these.  

17 -> 28 is a big gap as far as angle of view goes - 104 degrees compared to 75 
degrees (diagonal).   Many times a bit of quick footwork has been able to get me to a 
spot which gave me the (narrower) view I wanted, but not always the perspective.  The 
same field of view / area of coverage (not angle of view) with a 35mm lens gives a 
different perspective from the same field of view with a 17mm lens - the resulting 
photos can be quite different.  So to an extent you CAN make up for the gap, but I've 
often wished for a zoom in that range.  Of course there are times when that bit of 
footwork might take 10 minutes, so you make do :-)

I had often given thought what would be most suitable as an intermediate lens, but 
never actually came up with an answer - 20mm is too close to 17mm and 24mm is too 
close to 28mm, so I never came up with a satisfactory answer - at least as far as 
prime lenses went.  The 16-35 L lens seems to fill the gap (and more) quite nicely and 
produces EXCELLENT results.

On the side of the prime, the 17mm is half the weight and size of the 16-35 which also 
means that you'r more likely to take it with you and it's less backbreaking when you 
do.  It gives pretty impressive results.  There are fewer design compromises in a 
prime than in a zoom, so they are more affordable while still giving great results.  

I have a 30 inch x 20 inch print on my wall taken with my first Canon FD Tokina 17 SL 
and at that size you can see some colour fringing at the corners (it's hard to correct 
that in an ultrawide - at least it was 15 years ago when I took the shot!) and the 
corners are not as sharp as the centre, but you have to be pretty close to see that 
AND it's a BIG print.  They've also come quite a way in lens design since then - the 
AT-X model has aspheric elements etc to correct those problems, so while I don't have 
any prints as large from the AT-X, it's quality is at LEAST as good.  

The other advantage is that primes focus closer than zooms - most 17-35's etc only 
focus to 0.5m compared to 0.25m for the Tokina, so with the prime you can get the 
outrageous perspectives that an ultrawide can give.   In the case of the 16-35 it 
focuses to 0.28m, but that's quite unusual for a zoom.

A 17mm lens is great fun to play with - it can take a long time to fully appreciate 
their use and you need to be very careful with your composition, but whichever way you 
go, I can recommend the focal length.  And also the Tokina AT-X.

Regards
Gary


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