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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kotsinadelis,
> Peter (Peter)
> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:01 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: EOS Pixels Vs. Grain - truth!
>
>
> See below
>
> Chip Louie wrote:
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> > David,
> >
> > A 6MP camera will deliver a sharper image. I can prove that
> with the files
> > from a Fuji Finepix S1.
> > Now with a 12MP Fuji it will be even better. Please note most of your
> > advertising photography has
> > been digital for several years because you get a better image
> with digital
> > than with film.
> > Plus you have programs like Genuine Fractals which can yield better
> > enlargements from smaller files.
> > I have seen 30x40 prints from a 6MP camera that were just
> > stunning. Have not
> > seen that from a 35mm negative.
> >
> > Peter K
> >
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> This is how old wives tales get started! A 6MP camera generated file may
> give the impression of more apparent sharpness but does not contain the
> detail found on film. A good 35mm drum scan is clearly a
> superior image to
> start with and after a little image manipulation there is simply no
> comparison. Not that a good scan is cheap, but purely in terms
> of technical
> quality film can produce much better images for the moment and for some
> time.
>
> Most commercial advertising photography is going to digital houses NOT
> because digital images contain superior image quality but because digital
> images are superior for control and manipulation using current prepress
> technology, get it straight.
>
> GF cannot create detail from an image file that lacks it. The
> VERY BEST you
> can get out of GF is to maintain the same level of image quality
> for a given
> angle of view and viewing distance. Take a small, low res. image
> file that
> looks OK at 18" and resize it to 30x40 and view it at the same distance as
> the small image output and you will see crap with no more detail than
> before. Indeed, many have compared GF generated images to PS generated
> resizing and found that the GF images are generally no better
> than simple PS
> bicubic resizing. The results have been posted here and on the web.
>
> Just because you have not seen a stunning 30x40 print from a film image is
> poor evidence that digital cameras produce better images. You
> just may not
> have seen a 30x40 print generated from a well scanned 35mm film
> original at
> 8,000dpi and retouched and output by a good operator. Don't let your
> experience limit you, the truth is out there!
>
>
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>
> Note the term you use, well scanned, so the result is digital!
> You cannot get the same result direct from negative, hence both
> are digital!
> I rest my case.
>
> Peter K
Hi Peter,
You wrote that you could prove that digital images are sharper than film
with files from a Fuji FinePix S1 camera. OK I'll bite, prove it.
You then go on to state that advertising images have been digital for years
because digital images are better than film. On this point I you need to
know that in the beginning those "digital" images all started out as film
that was scanned. The move to original digital images has been more recent
and continues today. The reason for this is certainly NOT due to the
technical quality of the image but the cost and speed savings of digital
processing in prepress production. The fact is that most printed images in
magazines and the majority of newspapers still start out as film images that
have to be digitized. Pretty much only large newspapers, wire services,
contract/spec. news shooters start out as digital images because speed and
time to the editors is more important then technical quality.
Next you say that GF can produce better images from small files. Better
than what, nothing?
If you have not seen stunning 30x40 images from film then you need to get
out in the world or go to a better lab. Heck, at A&I Color they have huge
stunning, fantastic images thrown up on the wall, they change them all the
time and they are ALL from film originals. Where do you live? Find almost
any large art gallery that offers fine art prints and you will find a
zillion stunning large prints that originated from film.
To rest so early, you must be tired.
Regards,
Chip Louie
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