On 8 Oct 02 at 12:57, Alex Zabrovsky wrote:
> Hi.
> This is for the group moderator.
> I'm having troubles replying to the List. Neither of the replies I sent to
> the messages on the List reached the List for some reason. Seems like
> blocked out or getting lost somewhere in cyberspace. Please help
>
> Regards,
> Alex Z
Below some pointers, from a previous thread:
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On 6 Oct 01 at 17:03, some member of the IR/EOS Mailinglist wrote:
> Some messages are coming through dozens of times while mine
> seem to get stuck and don't reach the list at all.
>
> Sorry for this test.
>
> Some Member
Incoming messages are filtered in many ways; the current problem
is that I can't send bounce-notifications/explanations anymore, at
least not directly to the person involved (I used to be able to do
that, but the format of these bounces changed recently, not allowing
me a direct reply anymore....that's one other thing we hope to
restore with the new version of Majordomo).
See message below for the text of this
bounce-notification/explanation:
(as it says, I can still dig out the reason why it bounces, it's
just not as easy as it used to be....check all listed possible causes
first)
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Dear Listmember,
Don't panick, this is just an automatic reply to the list posting
you sent recently, notifying you that your messages was
bounced/filtered. Please read this message carefully, especially when
it is the first time you receive this.
Your message was filtered/bounced from the list by Majordomo for one
of the following reasons:
[the only reason this error-message can be sent by *accident* is
when you CC'd the message to both list and author/sender; in that
case please ignore, all is fine, your message was most likely not
bounced (but check actual messages from the list to be sure)]
1) Using 'Digest xxx' in the subject line
2) Sending the admin requests 's_ubscribe' or 'uns_ubscribe' in
either
subject header or body of the message
3) Message sent in MIME-format
4) Message sent in HTML-format
5) V-card attachment (=also MIME)
6) Binaries (including winmail.dat files (RichTextFormat))
7) Too large size (>10k characters)
8) Posting from a different address/account than with which you are
listed with Majordomo
9) Including the admin-footer of the original message in your reply.
(applies only to EOS-list thusfar, not to IR)
All this filtering is done to keep the list operating smoothly and
efficiently, and more importantly: to prevent spam on the list.
[Sorry, this automatic bounce-notification cannot distinguish
between the various reasons why your message bounced (nor can I
include your original message); however, if you really don't
understand why it bounced, I can check my error-logs for the
specific reason....don't hesitate asking me, I am not your enemy,
just a listowner who wants to provide the best list possible....but
some things have to be done automagically, including filtering and
bounce-notifications....;))]
------ Explanations, Remedies & Solutions: -------
ad1) Change the subject header to a more meaningful topic
ad2) Use 's_ubscribe' and/or 'uns_ubscribe' when you must use it in
your message....this will avoid the filter.
Real admin commands must be send to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not to
the list or any other address.
To s_ubscribe or uns_ubscribe via the web, you can also visit:
http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/eos_list.htm
Or send email to....
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
....with:
s_ubscribe
or
uns_ubscribe
(remove the '_' in this case of course)
in the body of the message
A message saying just 'help' (in the body, without the quotes)
will give you a complete guide of all Majordomo commands.
ad3-6) Check your mailer settings, and switch off your current
HTML/MIME/V-card/RichTextFormat.
For some help on changing these mailer settings, see a chapter
on my homepage:
http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mimecrap.htm
ad6) If you really have binaries to share (pictures, tables etc),
then please put them on a web-site, or send them by private
mail to
those interested. You can *not* send them through the list
itself.
ad7) If your message was too long, consider splitting it up in
multiple pieces.
ad8) -------
Only s_ubscribers can post, so you are either not s_ubscribed, or
writing from a different account than with which you are listed as
s_ubscriber [check also your From: line vs X-Sender: line in the
original message].
The same can happen if you just shifted from realtime to digest mode,
and were caught 'inbetween', being no list member at all for a short
period of time.
You also might have been uns_ubscribed due to multiple fatal
errors/bounces from your account recently, during several days.
Regardless of the cause, Majordomo won't allow non-member postings,
to keep spam out.
Please sent again from the correct account, or (re)s_ubscribe.
In case you want to post from multiple accounts, but only receive
mail on one of them, you can s_ubscribe to the 'eos-post' list (this
will give 'posting rights' to these secondary accounts, without
receiving mail as you do on your primary account).
To do this, send:
S_UBSCRIBE <listname>-POST
to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(again, remove '_' of course)
(where <listname> is either EOS, INFRARED, PANORAMA or KOWA (last two
not operating yet))
You can check the status of your current subscription by sending:
WHO <listname>
and/or
WHO <listname>-DIGEST
and/or
WHO <listname>-POST
to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Another way to check which lists you s_ubscribed to, is by sending:
WHICH
to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Note that contrary to popular belief, you *can* send the
(un)s_ubscribe command from a different account than the one you
want to have (un)s_ubscribed; simply send:
(UN)S_UBSCRIBE <listname> <your-account-here>
or
(UN)S_UBSCRIBE <listname>-DIGEST <your-account-here>
to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(again, remove the '_'!)
ad9) -------
Your message was filtered out by Majordomo because you quoted
unnecessary text, in particular the admin-footer (on the bottom of
every list message, with URL for list instructions).
Since Majordomo also uses this check to prevent mail-loops (mail
loops will cause multiple admin-footers, adding one every time the
message is distributed), you *must* edit your replies, and not quote
the entire message.
Also note that these admin-footers are nearly always present when
replying in the wrong order ('reply-first, quote last'), which on
itself is quite inconvenient for other list members....see
explanation I once posted to the Infrared list:
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From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent: Wed, 5 May 1999 18:31:13 +0000
Subject: Admin stuff (was: bulk film holders, IR safe?
Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear gang,
Lately I notice that several members are putting the quoted text
below the actual reply, which is not recommended.
At first this might sound like silly nit-picking, but it is actual
part of Netiquette, and for more than one (good) reason, all closely
related to each other:
1) a longer thread with multiple messages/replies is very hard to
read/edit in the reverse order of quote/reply
2) in the reverse order, you can't create a line-for-line (or
alinea-for-alinea) reply, you will have to quote all, followed by a
single alinea of reply....this is often neither efficient
(unnecessary quoting), nor to the point, making things harder to
read.
3) if you reply on top, there is a good chance you don't even notice
how long the section is you quoted, since you hardly see it. Proof
of that is often found in the inclusion of the admin-footer, which
will then appear twice....to me, and many others, this is considered
pretty sloppy behaviour.
4) while such sloppy quoting might not affect real-time readers much,
it is a pest for the digest....one has to skip long irrelevant
sections
to get to the next message....again very inefficient.
Some of you might still not see all this as a real problem, since
the traffic on this list isn't very high, but please keep in mind
that many members read several other mailinglists & newsgroups as
well, and all these bits of unnecessary inefficiency add up to a
considerable amount of wasted time & energy, sometimes even
resulting in a message that gets no secondary reply at all (no
matter how relevant or necessary that reply would be....the more
editing needed to create a sensible reply, the lower the chance of
getting one).
So please stick to the most logical order, and keep quotes to a
minimum, for reading & distribution efficiency.
--
Bye,
Willem-Jan Markerink
The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
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Lastly, for those of you wanting to reply in the right order, but
their mail-software preventing them from doing so (conveniently), see
a chapter on my homepage about how to change these settings in some
mail-clients:
http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/quot_ord.txt
Another note about mail formats:
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From: "Willem-Jan Markerink" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:43:54 +0100
Subject: ADMIN: Notes on HTML/RTF (was: EOS test
Copies to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[from EOS-list, CC'd to IR-list]
On 28 Jun 02 at 21:13, Arvid Mestdagh wrote:
> My messages don't get thtough although MIME is NOT selected
FWIW/FYI: After playing a bit with XP and Outlook I can only state
that this is the worst nightmare one can encounter in terms of
RFT/HTML, ever.
Even if you carefully select 'plain text' as default format, it only
takes one copy&paste of an URL to revive all that RTF/HTML-crap back
into the image, without any warning. By then the only way out is
selecting Format->HTML followed by Format->Plain-Text.
While if you set HTML as default, you only need the latter
once....for the first URL that is....if you decide to add another one
later, you are back at square one, and have to reformat twice....the
mind boggles about so much stupidity....an ergonomic nightmare.
Actually, on mailinglists that neatly cut-out the HTML-portion, I
see this problem occur at an increasing frequency....but to add
insult to injury, the cut-out includes the URL itself; so a brief
forward of an URL results in an empty message with only some
admin-comments like 'HTML-portions deleted'....
What an utterly unbelieveable crap.
This means that with the next version of Majordomo, there is no use
for this HTML-cutting, only a complete bounce will work (but
hopefully *with*
meaningful bounce-notice/explanation, unlike the current Majordomo,
sadly)....otherwise such URL's will never make it to the list.
--
Bye,
Willem-Jan Markerink
The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
--
Bye,
Willem-Jan Markerink
The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
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