At 11:07 PM 5/27/2003, Chip Louie asked:
>You got a refurbed EF 16-35 2.8L? Was it a Canon refurb?

Yes it was a Canon refurb from a highly respected NYC dealer.
I don't often put much credibility on the equipment rants I
see on dpreview but the 16-35 has been getting discussed there
as having 'uneven' quality with regards to image sharpness
when used on Canon 10D cameras.
Go figure,
JimD



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JimD
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: EOS 20mm f2.8 vs 17-35 2.8L @ 20mm?
>
>
> At 10:03 PM 5/25/2003, Chip Louie wrote:
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JimD
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 4:03 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: EOS 20mm f2.8 vs 17-35 2.8L @ 20mm?
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> >Hi Jim,
> >
> >Yes the EF 20 2.8USM has less linear distortion and the prime is
> also much
> >sharper overall corner to corner then the EF 17-35 2.8L.  This
> is based on
> >my experience on film, I doubt it will be much different on a
> digital body
> >though I do think the differences will be more apparent on the digital
> >bodies.  I don't have the EF 17-35 2.8L or EF 20 2.8USM lenses
> any more so
> >cannot confirm this thought but the EF 16-35 2.8L is somewhat better then
> >the EF 17-35 2.8L on my EOS 1D body.
> >
> >
> >Cheers/Chip
> Chip,
> Does the 16-35 take the place of the 20mm F2.8?
> That is, at 20mm how does the 16-35 compare to the 20mm F2.8?
>
> I'm in this quandary as I got a refurbished 16-35 but it compares
> poorly to my 17-35 in the brick wall/ sheet of newspaper tests
> I've shot. I'll return the refurb this week.
>
> Now I'm pondering if I should keep my 17-35 and
> get the 20mm F2.8 or if I should go whole hog and spring
> for a new 16-35. Generally I've been satisfied with the 17-35.
> I don't love it the way I do my 28-70 F2.8 L though. Unfortunately
> I'm pretty fond of wide angles so the 28-70 is a bit long with
> the D60 so the 28-70 sits home alot these days.
>
> Thanks,
> JimD
>
>


Hi Jim,


For my use the EF 16-35 2.8L replaces the EF 20 2.8USM.  But the 20mm was a
better lens for the things that I wanted the 20mm for.  My own EF 16-35 2.8L
seems to be a good one, images are sharper overall when compared to the EF
17-35 2.8L.  This seems to be in line with what other people are finding
also.

You got a refurbed EF 16-35 2.8L?  Was it a Canon refurb?  Hmm, My 17-35
2.8L was a fairly good lens, not great but pretty good and I used it a lot
on film.  My 16-35 2.8L is MUCH better under all lighting situations and any
focal length vs. my 17-35 2.8L.

I almost made the same decision, keep the EF 17-35 2.8L AND the EF 20 2.8USM
but when I went digital I wanted to simplify my bag.  So I sold almost all
of my glass (EF 2X, EF 20 2.8USM, EF 17-35 2.8L, EF 70-200 2.8L, EF 135 2L,
EF 300 2.8L), and reloaded it with new 16-35 2.8L and EF 70-200 2.8L IS
lenses.  I kept the EF 1.4X, EF 28-70 2.8L, EF 28-105 3.5-4.5USM, EF 50
1.4USM and EF 85 1.8USM lenses.  But now I find that I'm missing the EF 2X I
sold and want a 14mm to round out my quiver.  BTW all of these lens
decisions were based on using them on an EOS 1D size or larger sensor.

Anyway If you do a lot of interiors or architecture the 20mm prime it may
pay to keep the EF 17-35 2.8L and buy a nice used EF 20 2.8USM.  But the
20mm is really too long now with a D30/D60/10D body, this is how I wound up
buying an EF 16-35 2.8L, for the short end and the overall improvement I
expected to see.

I hope this helps some.


Cheers/Chip




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