On 9 Sep 2005 at 23:46, Tom Pfeiffer wrote:

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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> > Willem-Jan Markerink
> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 5:14 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: Wide-angle & DSLR (was: EOS Moving to Canon for Digital
> > 
> > If even high-end digi-compacts fail miserably in providing 
> > any wider angle than a 28mm-equivalent, then it will be a 
> > cold day in hell before even a phone could do any better.
> > 
> > Even an old DCS3 with 14mm Sigma can't be beat by anything 
> > more compact, no matter how many more pixels it has....
> > 
> >  
> 
> Both the new Kodak P880 and the older Nikon 8400 have 24mm equivalent lenses
> which would equal the coverage of a 14mm on the 1.7x DCS3. Plus, they are
> 8mp instead of 1.3, and the Nikon is barely a quarter the size and weight.
> Of course, it's not an SLR, but it is easy to carry and has a reasonably
> good reputation. And for only $500.......

I'd rather call those 'hybrid', not 'compact'....;))
Too close to SLR-format/shape to add much to the convenience/carry 
factor....

Btw, the DCS3 has a 16.4x20.5mm chip, hence diagonally a factor 
1.648, vertical 1.46x, horizontal 1.76x.
The sick thing: while you can check the math of this one in focal 
length equivalents, you can't with neither Nikon nor Kodak, since 
they either only vaguely mention '2/3rd inch chip' (Nikon, which in 
no way can be translated to a 16.9mm diagonal (which would render 
it's 6.1mm lens as a 16mm wide angle!)), or don't list the actual 
focal length (Kodak), only the equivalent.

I guess I'll end up with a second hand 1Ds one day, and revive my 
20mm....;))
(at that moment, I will probably ditch the 14mm, since even in analog 
times I considered it too wide, or better: too small object details 
on a 24x36mm frame....however, that Mamiya ZD 36x48mm chip (no micro-
lenses!) with their 26mm, now *that* is what I call wide-angle 
appeal....both the angle *and* the format/object-detail....:))

Of course, I could be swung completely the other way, if a digital & 
compact swing lens panorama camera was launched....:))
(I have witnessed (from close distance) the current analog panorama 
manufacturers agonizing about the lack of such technology....
(their market is too small to invest the huge amounts needed for that 
combination I guess (and in a way, it would be a 'hybrid' avant la 
lettre, since the lens itself would still have to move mechanically, 
hence more mechanics than any other digicam))

Should be IR-capable at the same time too, otherwise that era, 
combining IR with panorama, would die slowly too.


--                 
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

      The desire to understand 
is sometimes far less intelligent than
     the inability to understand

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