00:00:07 < knurd> | Hi everybody; who's around for the EPEL meeting? 00:00:07 * | knurd likes to remind everyone that the schedule for todays meeting as well as a list of all open tasks can be found on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Schedule 00:00:07 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL Sig meeting -- Meeting rules at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Schedule/MeetingGuidelines -- Init process 00:00:36 < knurd> | hi, who's around? 00:00:39 * | nirik is here. 00:01:01 * | Jeff_S 00:01:45 * | mmcgrath pongs 00:01:50 < knurd> | btw, sorry for the late report and the late list of topics for todays meeting 00:01:58 < knurd> | rpmfusion keeps me a bit busy atm 00:02:01 < Jeff_S> | np 00:02:15 < knurd> | we just try to get it running by F8 ;-) 00:02:25 * | knurd starts with the first topic 00:02:27 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/NextTestingStableMove -- unassigned; nirik? 00:02:35 < knurd> | we should try to actually do this now 00:02:45 < knurd> | nirik, did you take a look at the repo? 00:02:53 < knurd> | is it in a good shape? 00:02:59 < stahnma_> | pong 00:03:06 < nirik> | I haven't had a chance to look at testing lately. I can. 00:03:12 < knurd> | mmcgrath, btw, does the dep-checker script now run for testing as well? 00:03:22 < nirik> | do you think we should move testing->stable now before 5.1? or wait? 00:03:40 < knurd> | I'd say we should do it this month 00:03:47 < knurd> | regardless of 5.1 00:03:56 < mmcgrath> | knurd: It does, though I forgot to cron it. I'll do a manual run now and add it to cron 00:04:07 < knurd> | mmcgrath, k, thx 00:04:17 < nirik> | mmcgrath: excellent. that should help fix broken deps hopefully. 00:04:18 < knurd> | other opinions? do it soon or wait for 5.1? 00:04:26 < Jeff_S> | yes, it would be nice to get a push done soon 00:04:31 < nirik> | Do we have any eta on 5.1? 00:04:35 < stahnma_> | anyone have an eta on 5.1? 00:04:48 < stahnma_> | RH'ers say they know it, but can't disclose 00:04:51 < stahnma_> | :( 00:04:58 < Jeff_S> | heh 00:05:01 * | Jeff_S no idea 00:05:01 < jeremy> | "when it's done" 00:05:06 * | jeremy hasn't been able to say that in a while 00:05:12 < Jeff_S> | lol 00:05:13 * | knurd slaps jeremy 00:05:20 < stahnma_> | the help here is amazing 00:05:22 < stahnma_> | :) 00:05:26 < nirik> | how about we pick a date and try and get all deps fixed before that and do a stable->testing push. 00:05:34 < stahnma_> | seems like a good plan 00:05:35 < nirik> | say the 19th? 00:05:51 < knurd> | nirik, I put the 21th on the task page 00:05:59 < knurd> | then we have saturday and sunday for the job 00:06:05 < nirik> | thats fine. 00:06:15 --> | mdomsch_ (Matt_Domsch) has joined #fedora-meeting 00:06:22 < skvidal> | stahnma_: not all of the rhers know it :) 00:06:33 < stahnma_> | fair enough 00:06:48 < knurd> | 21th fine for everyone? 00:06:57 < Jeff_S> | works for me 00:07:02 < knurd> | nirik, will you prepare it a bit over the next week? 00:07:19 < knurd> | if we find a big mess we can move the date back by one week in hte next meeting 00:07:27 < nirik> | ok. 00:07:31 < knurd> | thx nirik 00:07:38 < nirik> | the big thing is that we want to get broken deps fixed up in testing before any move 00:07:46 < stahnma_> | ++ 00:07:49 --> | epithumia (Jason Tibbitts) has joined #fedora-meeting 00:07:54 <-- | tibbs|h has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:07:55 --> | tux_440volt (subhodip) has joined #fedora-meeting 00:07:55 < knurd> | nirik, well, we can leave some things in testing if we want 00:08:21 < knurd> | but on the other hand: we should work towards a proper testing repo without broken deps in general IMHO 00:08:31 < knurd> | as broken deps look bad even in testing 00:08:31 < nirik> | sure, but then it's much harder to make sure we don't leave something in testing that is needed by something that got moved. 00:08:39 < knurd> | agreed 00:09:08 < knurd> | the deps check script should help 00:09:11 < stahnma_> | so you want fubared -> testing -> stable ? 00:09:34 < stahnma_> | s/fubared/brandnewstuff 00:09:39 < knurd> | stahnma_, me? no 00:10:00 < knurd> | but I'd like to kick everything from testing again that has broken deps for mor then n days 00:10:04 < Jeff_S> | at least that would be useful for finding broken deps, but it puts extra work on moving things around 00:10:06 < knurd> | n something like 7 - 14 maybe 00:10:09 < stahnma_> | well, the new builds have to start somewhere, even if all the deps aren't ready yet. So where does that go> 00:10:47 < nirik> | wouldn't you wait until you had all the deps before building new packages? 00:11:11 < knurd> | stahnma_, the 7 - 14 days should be enough 00:11:22 < knurd> | and what nirik said should be true as well 00:11:32 < stahnma_> | I think that's fine. 00:11:38 < knurd> | as you can't even test if your stuff works without those deps 00:12:18 < knurd> | anything else regarding this topic? 00:12:43 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Rhel51 -- knurd/nirik 00:12:53 < knurd> | that's related to the stable<-testing move 00:13:00 < nirik> | yeah. 00:13:08 * | knurd skips it therefor 00:13:14 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/RhelMetaData -- stahnma 00:13:18 < knurd> | stahnma ? 00:13:47 < stahnma_> | not much moving here 00:13:54 < stahnma_> | I haven't had a lot of time for it lately 00:14:00 < knurd> | maybe ask on the list for use cases? 00:14:04 < stahnma_> | ok 00:14:07 < stahnma_> | sounds like a good plan 00:14:22 < stahnma_> | part of this has to do withmaking sure we don't step on EL packages 00:14:31 < stahnma_> | so the 5.0 to 5.1 is kind of in scope here 00:15:09 < stahnma_> | that;s all I have 00:15:13 < nirik> | I was meaning to file bugs for those packages in epel5 that need to be dead.packaged for 5.1 (since they moved to core) 00:15:14 < stahnma_> | I will send out a query on list 00:15:18 --> | ChitleshGoorah (Chitlesh GOORAH) has joined #fedora-meeting 00:15:24 < stahnma_> | nirik: please do 00:15:26 < knurd> | stahnma_, nirik sounds good 00:15:36 < nirik> | but of course all I have is the beta announce, so not the final list. 00:15:43 < stahnma_> | true 00:16:11 < nirik> | should I wait for 5.1 final? 00:16:18 <-- | mdomsch has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:16:30 < knurd> | nirik, we should dead.package those when CentOS catches up 00:16:34 < stahnma_> | I would think we could start now 00:16:35 < knurd> | not earlier 00:16:58 < nirik> | right... so a week or two after 5.1 is out probibly. 00:17:18 < knurd> | yeah, something like that probably 00:17:31 < knurd> | this reminds me of something else 00:17:36 * | knurd moves on 00:17:55 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc -- update.carefully file in CVS? 00:18:02 < knurd> | we had a problem with sqlite 00:18:07 <-- | henrix has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:18:13 < knurd> | the Fedora maintainer updated the EL4 package 00:18:21 < Jeff_S> | doh 00:18:21 < knurd> | it would have replaced the CentOS package 00:18:22 < nirik> | oops. 00:18:26 < knurd> | which we try to avoid 00:18:33 < knurd> | he was not aware of that issue 00:18:41 < Jeff_S> | sounds like a good idea to have something there 00:18:41 < knurd> | should we put a warning file in cvs? 00:18:47 < Jeff_S> | maybe in all caps :) 00:18:47 < knurd> | like update.carefully or something like that 00:18:55 < stahnma_> | are we trying to maintain compat ability with CentOS or RHEL? 00:18:57 < knurd> | Jeff_S, yeah, maybe 00:18:59 < stahnma_> | I mean they are different 00:19:10 < knurd> | stahnma_, RHEL, centOS if possible as well 00:19:20 < Jeff_S> | stahnma_: these are mostly packages which are not in RHEL, but are in CentOS 00:19:23 < Jeff_S> | AFAIK 00:19:28 < stahnma_> | and next if we try to work with Sci, and Oracle we'll make our lives difficult 00:19:31 < knurd> | Jeff_S, and that's only a handfull 00:19:42 < stahnma_> | I agree 00:19:42 < Jeff_S> | yeah, I think I own most of them ;) 00:19:52 < stahnma_> | I just think it's a hard line to maintain properly 00:19:55 < knurd> | stahnma_, if live becomes difficult we can adjust our behaviour 00:20:01 < stahnma_> | fair enough 00:20:12 * | stahnma_ is glad my packages are not in that boat ;) 00:20:23 < nirik> | not sure a update.carefully would help... 00:20:39 < knurd> | nirik, if you have a better idea: shoot 00:20:41 < stahnma_> | I would read it the very first time I did a cvs up 00:20:50 < stahnma_> | but after that, I would probably dismiss it 00:21:08 < knurd> | stahnma_, that might be enough already 00:21:12 < nirik> | well, nothing aside from educating maintainers... but that requires noticing the change and blocking it first 00:21:35 < knurd> | in this case both I and mmcgrath noticed it afaik 00:21:52 < knurd> | we told the fedora maintainer and blocked the update 00:22:10 < knurd> | then he came up with the idea to put a file in CVS 00:22:18 < knurd> | that has some informations about the fact 00:22:32 < Jeff_S> | I think it's worth a shot... 00:22:33 < nirik> | ok, I guess it can't hurt... just for these critical packages? 00:22:38 < knurd> | it might not be perfect, but better then nothing 00:22:47 < knurd> | nirik, yeah, just those 00:22:57 < knurd> | e.g. yum and deps in el4 00:23:13 < nirik> | ok, sounds fine to me. 00:23:15 < knurd> | and maybe yum-cron (once that's solved) in El5 00:23:24 < knurd> | update.carefully? 00:23:30 < knurd> | or UPDATE.CAREFULLY 00:23:33 < nirik> | UPDATE-CAREFULLY ? 00:23:35 < knurd> | or something else? 00:23:37 < Jeff_S> | either way worksforme 00:23:48 < stahnma_> | will that be in only certain packages or all packages? 00:23:49 < Jeff_S> | I kinda like the caps though 00:23:50 < nirik> | I think the yelling might get better notice. 00:23:53 < Jeff_S> | makes me notice it more 00:24:10 < knurd> | stahnma_, what I mentioned above; e.g. yum + deps in EL4 00:24:16 < stahnma_> | just making sure I understood 00:24:17 < knurd> | only four packages or so 00:24:19 --> | mclasen (Matthias Clasen) has joined #fedora-meeting 00:24:19 < stahnma_> | +1 00:24:28 < knurd> | maybe a few more 00:24:31 < nirik> | ok, can the maintainer check that in then? 00:24:44 < knurd> | nirik, sure 00:24:49 < Jeff_S> | I can for the ones I own 00:24:55 < knurd> | Jeff_S, thx 00:25:00 * | Jeff_S makes note 00:25:02 < knurd> | I#d say use UPDATE-CAREFULLY 00:25:09 < knurd> | that's likely the best one 00:25:19 < Jeff_S> | ok 00:25:23 < knurd> | Jeff_S, can you put a note about that file in the wiki somewhere? 00:25:31 < knurd> | and put some informations into the file please 00:25:42 < knurd> | (about the issue and why to update carefully) 00:25:53 < Jeff_S> | yep 00:25:56 < knurd> | great 00:25:58 * | knurd moves on 00:26:02 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc -- yum-cron -- knurd 00:26:13 < knurd> | as I said on the list 00:26:21 < knurd> | I'm trying to reach the CentOS maintainer 00:26:22 < Jeff_S> | I think we can follow our example from other centos-included packages 00:26:30 < knurd> | hope to get that fixed over the next few days 00:26:40 < knurd> | Jeff_S, for yum-cron? 00:26:42 <-- | zoeloelip has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:26:45 < Jeff_S> | knurd: yes 00:26:50 < knurd> | Jeff_S, yes and no 00:27:09 < knurd> | in general: yes 00:27:17 < knurd> | but the EPEL package contains bugfixes 00:27:27 < knurd> | and the EPEL maintainer would like to see them in CentOS as well 00:27:33 < knurd> | as they used his package as base 00:27:40 < knurd> | I can understand that 00:27:53 < knurd> | I hope centos can update to a newer version in 5.1 00:28:05 < knurd> | and we afterwards ship a version with a lower EVR 00:28:14 < knurd> | that should make everybody happy 00:28:41 < knurd> | (afaics) 00:28:49 < Jeff_S> | knurd: yep, just should discuss with ie. those in #centos-devel and figure out a sane solution that they are also happy with 00:28:59 < knurd> | that's my plan 00:29:06 < Jeff_S> | your proposal sounds fine to me 00:29:12 < knurd> | Jeff_S, the yum-cron maintainer tried via email 00:29:18 < knurd> | but didn#t get a reply 00:29:26 < Jeff_S> | or even have EPEL host the higher EVR package if the maintainer wants that... 00:29:38 < knurd> | maybe yes 00:29:48 < knurd> | I#d prefer the solution I outlined 00:29:50 < Jeff_S> | of course I don't know how the centos ppl would feel about that 00:30:07 < Jeff_S> | fine by me 00:30:08 < knurd> | remains to be seen 00:30:13 < knurd> | it's a small package 00:30:29 < knurd> | and the new version contains bugfixes afaik 00:30:38 < knurd> | so updateding might be in centos interest 00:30:50 * | knurd moves on 00:30:54 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/Tasks/Misc -- permission to use spec files in other projects 00:31:08 < knurd> | I said on hte list already 00:31:11 < knurd> | let's wait for F8 00:31:18 < knurd> | and then discuss this further 00:31:23 < knurd> | that fine for everybody? 00:31:28 < nirik> | sure, although in the case of dag's clamav, he said it was fine... 00:31:42 < nirik> | I just haven't had time to move forward with that... 00:31:51 < Jeff_S> | I'm fine with waiting 00:31:51 < nirik> | would anyone else be interested in working on that? 00:32:06 * | knurd never used clamav 00:32:10 < Jeff_S> | nirik: that pkg scares me ;) 00:32:26 < nirik> | the dag spec is much more sane than the fedora one. 00:32:48 < nirik> | just need to make sure it matches all the guidelines ok, and then test against upgrades of the old one in epel now. 00:33:23 < nirik> | I guess I can try and move forward on it soon. 00:33:30 < knurd> | nirik, maybe ask on hte list if somebody is interested 00:33:37 < nirik> | there are 14 outstanding CVE's against the clamav in epel right now. 00:33:57 < knurd> | :-/ 00:34:08 < nirik> | ok. 00:34:40 --- | knurd has changed the topic to: EPEL SIG Meeting | Free discussion around EPEL 00:34:44 < knurd> | anything else? 00:34:56 < Jeff_S> | nothing here... 00:35:20 < stahnma_> | nothing 00:35:24 < stahnma_> | oh meeting times 00:35:27 < nirik> | nothing I can think of. 00:35:29 * | mmcgrath has nothing 00:35:32 < stahnma_> | turns out, I like the daytime better 00:35:41 < stahnma_> | after all my complaining 00:35:42 < stahnma_> | :) 00:35:47 < Jeff_S> | lol 00:35:57 < stahnma_> | I have a better chance of being able to make it during the day 00:36:04 < stahnma_> | the night is too unpredicatable 00:36:33 < stahnma_> | anyone else have thoughts on meeting times? 00:36:36 < knurd> | maybe we should try to find a more dynamic schedule 00:36:44 < knurd> | maybe once a month a later time 00:36:47 < knurd> | or something like htat 00:36:53 < stahnma_> | ok 00:36:55 < knurd> | and hte general target: do more on hte list 00:37:08 < stahnma_> | ++ 00:37:09 < Jeff_S> | this time should work for me 00:37:10 < nirik> | yeah. 00:37:25 < knurd> | maybe meetings at 17:00 utc only every second week? 00:37:38 < stahnma_> | sounds ok to me 00:37:39 < knurd> | e.g. next meeting on 20071024? 00:37:49 < mmcgrath> | knurd: +1 00:37:54 < nirik> | sure, sounds ok to me. 00:38:01 < Jeff_S> | +1 00:38:09 * | knurd just noticed he won't be around on 20071024 as it looks like 00:38:21 < knurd> | I'm travelling then 00:38:30 < knurd> | but maybe one of you guys can run the meeting for me? 00:38:35 < knurd> | stahnma_? 00:38:51 < stahnma_> | not sure 00:38:58 < stahnma_> | I will probably be able to make it 00:39:02 < stahnma_> | but can't guarentee it 00:39:03 < stahnma_> | :) 00:39:07 < stahnma_> | i'm good like that 00:39:10 < Jeff_S> | I *should* be able to make it :) 00:39:20 < knurd> | we'll see 00:39:30 < knurd> | maybe my travelling schedule changes 00:39:33 < knurd> | and I can make it 00:39:40 < knurd> | k, so no meeting next week then? 00:39:51 < knurd> | just a status update on the list? 00:39:54 --> | shadowarts (Andrew Alm) has joined #fedora-meeting 00:40:01 < Jeff_S> | yeah 00:40:12 < stahnma_> | ok 00:40:25 * | knurd hears nobody yelling "hell, no" 00:40:31 < knurd> | so I consider it accepted 00:40:35 < knurd> | anything else? 00:40:52 < Jeff_S> | nope 00:40:57 * | knurd will close the meeting in 30 00:41:25 * | knurd will close the meeting in 10 00:41:35 < knurd> | -- MARK -- Meeting end
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