Your concerns is valid, but I would rather be consistent about the stakeholders, testers, and so on are part of the team.
I think we need to have a crisp philosophy, and that is that the entire team include all roles. It needs to be clear from introductory material and collaborative practices that the entire team includes these roles, and not only developers. So, i would like to rather make sure that we ensure that we send a consistent message through our process that stajeholders etc, are key team members, not people you may choose to contact now and then.....

Cheers

Per Kroll
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Project Lead: Eclipse Process Framework
Rational Software, IBM Corp
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Hi Per,
 
I agree with your concept, my only concern is that the phrase “the entire team” can be ambiguous. Some might think it means just the developers. Others would say it’s the developers, testers, and managers, and others would take it to mean everyone including stakeholders.
 
In our collaborative world the entire team should include all the roles. So maybe we’d need to phrase it as something like “All OpenUP roles participate in this step…”
 
- Jim
 
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Hi,


regarding bug:
156378
This bug has 10+ related bugs, so it is relevant to all process authors.


https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=156378


I agree that you should reference Artifacts in relevant task steps.

I also agree that you should reference Additional Performers when there are only a few.

However, I disagree that Additional performers shold be listed when ALL team members participate in a step. Instead, it is preferred to say "the entire team" or similar.

We should still call out all roles as Additional Performers, since you otherwise do not find the task when you look at the indivudal roles.


Do others agree? Jim?


Cheers


Per Kroll
STSM, Manager Methods: RUP / RMC
Project Lead: Eclipse Process Framework
Rational Software, IBM Corp
408-342-3815
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