Lyndon,
Personally, I like the mixed nature of the mailing list, but I see what you mean. It'll be great when there's so much traffic that is exclusively about the EPF Composer tool, that we just can't keep mixing process and method content discussion with the tool discussion. At that point, I'll gladly back anyone's motion to create a separate list. For now, though, I like the cross-pollination effect. I can be a "lurker" on the Scrum stuff (which I read with interest, but haven't responded to yet), but active on the OpenUP content discussion. Occasionally, I'll jump in on a tools question. As for where EPF starts and OpenUP finishes - that's a fair concern, especially if we start having Scrum Alliance folks wondering if EPF Composer, as a tool, is an "OpenUP thing." ;) Historically, OpenUP was intended as the first of several "example processes" that would ship with the EPF tool. Ideally, I'd love to see more distinct communities develop around several complete processes, without losing the ecosystem effect that the EPF Composer's plug-in architecture provides. Can we help clarify your concern without isolating the Scrum folks? Thanks, Nate ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lyndon Washington Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:28 PM To: Eclipse Process Framework Project Developers List Subject: Re: [epf-dev] Wednesday Release Planning Call Hi Steve and others, I am always confused about where EPF starts and OpenUP finishes. With Scrum I forsee the challenge of representing the framework in a consistent fashion that any Scrum Master or member of the Scrum Alliance would look over the content and agree that it provides the right level of guidance and information to let an organization map it to their working process lives. This type of discussion on OpenUP next steps seems to be something that is outside of the tool that you are using to capture and document it, it almost seems that it deserves to be discussed and allowed to flourish outside of the EPF umbrella. Am I missing something? I would be very interested to hear if it is the intention to keep both subjects closely tied together. Cheers, -Lyndon- On 8/28/07, Steve Adolph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello everyone: After last week's call, I was thinking more about what I believe is necessary to include in the next release of OpenUP. In my opinion a methodology does not survive and prosper based on its own merits, it survives because there is a community. IMHO, XP and Scrum have taken off because they are easy to get started with (although the ease of getting started does not necessarily imply ease of use), they have charismatic champions telling their audience what the audience wants to hear. There is a wide range of supporting material including books and courses to help people get started with these methods. If OpenUP is to survive and find its place in the hearts and minds of developers then we need to focus on capturing people's imaginations. In this era of 10 second sound bites we need to do that quickly. I would like to propose the following activities for general and overarching issues: 1) We need an OpenUP course - or more to the point, course material we can spin into a half day tutorial or re-spin into a two day "hands on" workshop. Something that not only introduced OpenUP but iterative development. A possible course title is "Iterative Development with OpenUP". 2) I think we need a version of OpenUP that is less intimidating than the version we have at the moment. OpenUP is suppose to be for small teams yet it has the appearance of a voluminous and complex process. What if we created some kind of "abridged" version that reduced the cognitive load on the early adopters? This version would not be maintained as part of the composer. Rather, it would be more like a cheat sheet that simply captured the essence, phase, iterations, work item list, focus on architecture, risk management. A version that if a person took a half day OpenUP tutorial they had at least a chance of making a positive change using OpenUP. 3) I also believe we need to strongly encourage and support translation efforts. I know there was some interest in creating a Russian translation of OpenUP, but I do not know what has happened since. 4) A book? I was intrigued by the suggestion of creating a "red book". I don't know if I can physically sequester myself with a writing team, but I am willing to wager that we have enough material between us to create a simple book. Perhaps "Post Agile Development with OpenUP" These are just some thoughts I had for tomorrow's call. Look forward to chatting with you all... Steve _______________________________________________ epf-dev mailing list [email protected] https://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/epf-dev
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