Hi Neil, I always liked to read your posts although - or maybe because - I never understood: 1.What you teach, 2.Why you teach, 3.If you know what you teach.
"Silence" brings on my mind - sounds a bit like Georgia, does it not - "Les silences du colonel Bramble", or "The Silence of Colonel Bramble" - Andre Maurois was bilingual. If you did not read it, you missed a big chunk of silence. Cheers Georges. ============== Neil: > The link makes Carlos' point very well OM. We do not > do silence > enough. First year undergrads these days can't stand it at > all. I > have only rarely noticed smoke and/or mirrors in you old > chap. There > are points where we have to share the personal (possibly > private > language) and yet prefer or maybe refer to silence. > When I did similar tricks with my classes, I would ask, at > some point, > whether this was clever stuff aimed at 'structuring' some > attention to > what structures, or if I hadn't been bothered to prepare > anything > because of a hard night or total contempt for them (etc.) > ... and this > sort of brings me to another silence. I would read > out some of > Gandhi's 'excuses' for sleeping with children as though I > was the > first person actor and leave. I never found anyone > aware of this > 'period' of his alleged self-denial. My aims in this > were complex and > I would only dare with classes actually engaged with > learning (not > many). Of course, there were idiots who would take > from this > information that I sleep with children. No doubt > there still are. > The issues are wide and to do with 'jumping to > conclusions', > 'projections', halo and horn effects and so on - not least > a deep > suspicion of Gandhi and any cultural excuses for this kind > of > behaviour at all (it's abuse to me even if Gandhi's own > story is > true). The voices in the Bag Lady's head do and > should bother us; > however 'reverend' the 'Bag Lady' is. > > On 18 Oct, 18:50, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > wrote: > > How typical of US politics to have recent presidents > give ‘the silent > > treatment’ to HHDL! Apparently that which is out of > sight and out of > > mind can be assumed to be non-existent. Of course, > most people do bow > > to the whims of their banker…in this case, a banker > who accused ‘W’ of > > “interfering in the internal affairs of China” > when he awarded HHDL > > the congressional gold medal in 2007, a banker who > > > > Even though BO has expressed interest in overhauling > ‘W’s so called > > faith based initiative, I wonder if US monies will be > redirected from > > blind belief organizations into Buddhist coffers. At > this point, I am > > skeptical. > > > > Of course, here the bottom line is how human > interaction is all too > > often based on political considerations. Even though > HHDL has > > professed neutrality in many ways, one who had to > leave his country > > due to occupation, by his very existence, says a lot > silently. Now if > > only more leaders were interested in learning from > this ‘simple > > monk’…. > > > > When I played flute in small symphonies, much of the > symbolology on > > the page indicated silence. Taken to its logical > conclusion, the > > following arises. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJagb7hL0Ehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcHnL7aS64Y&feature=related > > > > I’m at least glad to see that Chaz remains kicking, > albeit > > ‘silently’. And Neil, as far as I can tell, > rather than ‘laziness’, I > > again see attachment to ideology. Perhaps my > ‘mirror’ needs cleaning? > > > > On Oct 17, 7:28 pm, archytas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I take your point on ME Nom. Laziness in some > respect. Strange that > > > you noticed the irony concerning Godot, given the > American lack of > > > said. > > > > > On 17 Oct, 18:13, "Serenity Smiles" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > P.S . The evidence is good enough for the > newly crowned Nobel Prize winner > > > > for Peace after his presumed audience with > the Dalai Lama to call for my > > > > Geshe to attend a meeting of the Worlds' > Religious Leaders next week. > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > From: "nominal9" <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 5:11 PM > > > > To: "Epistemology" <[email protected]> > > > > Subject: [epistemology 10869] Re: Silence > > > > > > > Sounds like a rip-off on "Waiting for > Godot"... > > > > > Read it years ago....You're still in > that Mind's Eye Group... > > > > > Archytas?.... Ah well, some over here > in the U.S have always said that > > > > > the "Chamberlain" sorts in Europe > don't hold to "principle".... just > > > > > appeasers.... > > > > > nominal9 > > > > > > > On Oct 17, 9:42 am, archytas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >> Strangely I had just posted this in > Miknd's Eye (the 'k' is silent). > > > > > > >> My new play, 'Waiting For the > Google Fix' is complete and waiting for > > > > >> a West End début. A hectic tale > of drugs and disappointment, the > > > > >> whole 4 hours is spent in > observation of the silence between two old > > > > >> codgers on depressant medication > waiting for their old mate Google to > > > > >> turn up and help them turn their > laptops on ... > > > > >> Neil - Old Codger 1 > > > > >> Orn - The Elder Old Codger > > > > >> Missing mate - Jacques Derrida's > Corpse > > > > >> The audience will be 'held captive' > and come to believe the whole > > > > >> thing a great gas. > > > > >> Gas Provider - Jenkins' > Pharmaceuticals > > > > >> Health and Safety - Burke and Hare > > > > >> Stunts - The Zimmers > > > > >> Reviews: > > > > >> 'A classic of the postmodern genre. > Archytas' wit is constantly > > > > >> deferred. On waking the headache > and stomach pain can only be > > > > >> explained as post-traumatic > belly-laughter'. (Artyfloss McClaque - > > > > >> Daily Herald) > > > > >> 'Missing this will be like having > all your teeth drawn - which is > > > > >> what > > > > >> will happen if you do'. Mafia > Express. > > > > > > >> We refer, in language, to 'the > silent treatment'. > > > > > > >> On 13 Oct, 23:56, einseele <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > >> > Hi Orn, > > > > >> > Silence is the most important > component of language > > > > >> > And silence from chazwin as he > sent, is also significant > > > > > > >> > But I'm afraid there is > misunderstanding about what silence is in > > > > >> > language > > > > >> > All in language is about > separation, its elemnts are of pure > > > > >> > difference, the only attribute > of lets say letter A is its difference > > > > >> > with letter B and with all the > rest, > > > > > > >> > There is silence "in between". > It is that component which permits you > > > > >> > to know the specific sequence, > where a word begins, and where ends > > > > >> > When you face an unknown > language that silence is the challenge, you > > > > >> > learn a new language when you > get the difference between words, tones, > > > > >> > expressions, context etc. > > > > >> > That difference is made of > silence. Otherwise you perceive the unknow > > > > >> > as a noise. > > > > > > >> > On 13 out, 13:30, nominal9 > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > I don't know... > einseele.... > > > > >> > > Your arguement doesn't > seem to hold all that much "water" for > > > > >> > > me....Silence, when it > comes to language, would appear to me to be > > > > >> > > the > > > > >> > > absence of any > signification whatsoever... Whereas I concede "code" > > > > >> > > is > > > > >> > > significant because it > relies on "spacing" or an some sort of On/Off > > > > >> > > relationship... each of > which is established to be significant in and > > > > >> > > of itself.... but > language... without any language?.... I don't quite > > > > >> > > see it... the Metaphor or > Analogy doesn't hold, I don't think. > > > > >> > > nominal9 > > > > > > >> > > On Oct 2, 9:07 am, > einseele <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > This group is lately > almost silent > > > > >> > > > My subject is > linguistics, so I will take advantage of this silence > > > > >> > > > to > > > > >> > > > point the obvious, > which is usually not so clear. > > > > > > >> > > > When talking, in any > language, there is always a silent portion/ > > > > >> > > > segment, words, > letters, sentences, need that silence to identify > > > > >> > > > itselves. > > > > > > >> > > > Also when we write. > Silence when we write is represented by "empty" > > > > >> > > > space. > > > > > > >> > > > There is empty space > in all cases, or silence. Being perhaps the > > > > >> > > > most > > > > >> > > > important component > of language. > > > > > > >> > > > Even if I write: > > > > > > >> > > > > thisgroupislatelyalmostsilentmysubjectislinguisticssoiwilltakeadvantageofth > > > > >> > > > > issilencetopointtheobviouswhichisusuallynotsoclear > > > > > > >> > > > Even so, to convey > any meaning the reader will add "missing" > > > > >> > > > "empty" > > > > >> > > > space to the above, > which is the first sentence of this post. > > > > > > >> > > > Silence, empty > space, or whatever instance this represents, conveys > > > > >> > > > meaning. It is not > null, but empty. This means that in language, > > > > >> > > > emptiness is treated > the same way as any positive sign. > > > > > > >> > > > As in computer > science as well, where the sign "0" represents the > > > > >> > > > absence of a > material dot. > > > > >> > > > Binary systems need > 2 values and curiously, the first is "0" > > > > > > >> > > > That absence has no > lesser status that any other sign, and more > > > > >> > > > than > > > > >> > > > that is needed as > part of the system. > > > > > > >> > > > If this is valid to > language, and there are a lot of languages > > > > >> > > > (also > > > > >> > > > not human), why > should be any different in Physics, or Nature, or > > > > >> > > > Chemistry, > whatever. > > > > > > >> > > > It is hard to see > out there knowledge approaches talking about > > > > >> > > > emptiness in this > sense, there are examples of course. Poetry for > > > > >> > > > instance, and many > other. > > > > > > >> > > > rgds- Ocultar texto > das mensagens anteriores - > > > > > > >> > > - Mostrar texto das > mensagens anteriores -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted > text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
