lets discuss this gravity-vacuum thing with the maths concepts of real and imginary measures. real measures or numbers were long discovered until the square root of minus one (-1) could not be found and this has since been tagged imaginary number. this number is intangible but it exists and this can be likened to a vacuum. Again if the imaginary number is compounded the result is a real measure. Thus, in a similar way, the vacuum if manipulated witth compoundment can produce real objects or matter. I think this is the 'vacuum-gravity' theory that we should be building. This impllies too that, the vacuum creating reality assertion is not far fetched.
-Garshagu Atovigba. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:19 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Today's Topic Summary > > Group: http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology/topics > > - Different points of > view.<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=ZZ4KpTfy1bY.en.&am=!Iec9iPCj39i5BXHC0fIucsP8-ca4xltahQvEtWFEYfFrew#1252c5b2f45ffa74_group_thread_0>[4 > Updates] > - Claude Levi-Strauss > dies<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=ZZ4KpTfy1bY.en.&am=!Iec9iPCj39i5BXHC0fIucsP8-ca4xltahQvEtWFEYfFrew#1252c5b2f45ffa74_group_thread_1>[1 > Update] > > Topic: Different points of > view.<http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology/t/e352b1aa9c1664fe> > > socratus <[email protected]> Nov 24 10:41AM -0800 > > Different points of view. > 1. > In Physics we trust. / Tarun Biswas / > and plus millions of other believers . > 2. > Science is not always as objective as we would like to believe. > / Michael Talbot. / and plus few others. > 3. > Religion or Physics ? Faith or Knowledge ? > / some doubtful people. / > 4. > Science and God just do not mix, both defy each other. > > Science and religion are like oil and water, you can't > mix them together and expect a solution. > / most people / > 5. > Science and religion in tandem can become a great force > to liberate the mind and help the humans to a fuller and better > understanding of reality. > / G. S. Sidhu / and plus some individuals . > ===== . > P.S. > In Physics we trust. > Is it correct ? Of course, it is logically correct. > Because only Physics can logically explain us > the Ultimate Nature of Reality. > ==========. > Best wishes. > Israel Sadovnik. Socratus. > > ======================== > > > > > socratus <[email protected]> Nov 24 09:47PM -0800 > > ‘ The idea that the universe can be viewed as the compound > of two basic orders, the implicate and the explicate, can be > found in many other traditions. > The Tibetan Buddhists call these two aspects the void and > nonvoid. The nonvoid is the reality of visible objects. The > void, like the implicate order, is the birthplace of all things > in the universe, . . . > . . . only the void is real and all forms in the objective world > are illusory, . . . . > The Hindus call the implicate level of reality Brahman. > Brahman is formless but is the birthplace of all forms in > visible reality, which appear out of it and then enfold back > into it in endless flux. > . . . consciousness is not only a subtler form of matter, > but it is more fundamental than matter, and in the Hindu > cosmology it is matter that has emerged from consciousness, > and not the other way around. Or as the Vedas put it, the > physical world is brought into being through both the > ‘ veiling’ and ‘ projecting’ powers of consciousness. > . . . the material universe is only a second- generation > reality, a creation of veiled consciousness, the Hindus > say that it is transitory and unreal, or ‘ maya’. > . . . > This same concept can be found in Judaic thought. > . . . . in shamanistic thinking . . . . . . > . . . . . . > Like Bohm, who says that consciousness always has its > source in the implicate, the aborigines believe that the > true source of the mind is in the transcendent reality of > the dreamtime. Normal people do not realize this and > believe that their consciousness is in their bodies. > . . . . . > The Dogan people of the Sudan also believe that the > physical world is the product of a deeper and more > fundamental level of reality . . . . . .’ > === . > Book / The Holographic Universe. > Part 3 / 9. Pages 287 – 289. > By Michael Talbot. / > ==================== . . . > My questions after reading this book. > > Is it possible that Physics confirmed and proved the > Religion philosophy of life ? > How is it possible to understand the Religion philosophy > of life from modern Physics view? > # > My opinion. > Fact. > The detected material mass of the matter in the > Universe is so small (the average density of all > substance in the Universe is approximately > p=10^-30 g/sm^3) that it cannot ‘close’ the > Universe into sphere and therefore our Universe > as whole is ‘open’, Endless Void / Nothingness / > Vacuum : T=0K. > Quantum Physics says the Vacuum is the birthplace > of all ‘ virtual’ particles . Nobody knows what there are, > but ‘the virtual particles’ change the Vacuum in a > local places and create Non Void / Material / Gravity > World with stars, planets and all another objects and > subjects in the Universe. > === . > Without Eternal/ Infinite Void / Vacuum physics makes no sense. > But as Paul Dirac said: > " The problem of the exact description of vacuum, > in my opinion, is the basic problem now before physics. > Really, if you can’t correctly describe the vacuum, > how it is possible to expect a correct description > of something more complex ? " > === . > # > But there is a strong tradition ( scientific and religious) that > insists > that any time we say we know who God is, or what God wants, > we are committing an act of heresy. > == . > Best wishes. > Israel Sadovnik. Socratus. > == . > > > > > ornamentalmind <[email protected]> Nov 24 10:56PM -0800 > > “…The Tibetan Buddhists call these two aspects the void and > nonvoid. The nonvoid is the reality of visible objects. The > void,…” – soc > > A slight addition to this statement…while most schools of Tibetan > Buddhism do make a synthetic separation, call it void/not-void for > now, how these two truths are apprehended/understood varies from one > school to the next. That is, the very notion of ‘reality’ and what > ‘visible objects’ are differs greatly from one system to another. > > For a simple overview, see: > > “Appearance & Reality, The Two Truths in the Four Buddhist Tenet > Systems” by Guy Newland, Snow Lion. > > > > > > > socratus <[email protected]> Nov 24 11:43PM -0800 > > Science or Religion ? > Religion tells us nothing but fables and fantasies! > That is the truth. > So, what is Religion? > Religion is the poor man's philosophy. > > Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies! > That is the truth. > For example: One Galaxy can eat another Galaxy. > # > Cosmic cannibalising: > Images show one galaxy engulfing another > > > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/cosmic-cannibalising-images-show-one-galaxy-engulfing-another-1780652.html > # > The Discovery of one Galaxy "Attacking" Another > > > http://www.astronomyexpert.co.uk/the-recent-discovery-of-one-galaxy-attacking-another.html > . . .. etc > So, what is Physics? > Physics is the poor man's philosophy. > == . > What to do? > I think we must answer to the simple classic question: > what did come first the chicken or the egg ? > If somebody didn’t understand this question, I will ask it simpler: > What was before Vacuum or Gravity ? > Does Gravity exist in Vacuum or vice versa? > Why I ask these questions. > Because the Universe ( as a whole ) is Two- Measured, > there are two Worlds: Vacuum and Gravity. > === . > Israel Socratus. > > > > Topic: Claude Levi-Strauss > dies<http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology/t/3d906bddb68a1406> > > archytas <[email protected]> Nov 24 07:05PM -0800 > > We used to be able to teach in a much less bookish way. I don't > insist on books much and tend to trash the textbooks. One wants to > encourage people to experiment with ideas and at least look at a few > examples of thinking beyond common sense. I got hold of a book called > 'The Critique of Pure Verbosity' once, but it was a disappointment - > needless to say verbose. Facts have ceased to matter. Rape is a > classic example. We never discuss the actual offences. Research is > conducted by people chosen by people with no clue about what really > needs doing and what impartiality is. Much of it is loony. The days > of a George turning up in his just made suit and being summed up and > given a job are long gone. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Epistemology" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<epistemology%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en.
