IMHO vacuum it is only possible in language, and frankly I doubt that too, because we need the word to refer it. I agree there is no vacuum. Although there is a meaning, this is, we refer to vacuum, and that's it.
On 30 nov, 10:24, michael atovigba <[email protected]> wrote: > Just to observe that what is called a vacuum contains either light to enable > physicists see that there is nothing inside the vacuum or darkness to > frustrate them from seeing anything inside the space in question. But > Eistein has told us that light is made of ether which is a particle hence > the vacuum theory is nullified. If the vacuum contains darkness, but > darkness is the oposite of light hence it too is matter incorporated, may > be we called anti-ether. Consequently there is no vacuum. > -Garshagu Atovigba > > > > On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 9:17 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > Today's Topic Summary > > > Group:http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology/topics > > > - Different points of > > view.<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=ZZ4KpTfy1bY.en....>[13 > > Updates] > > - Relativity One almost ready to use black > > fuel<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=ZZ4KpTfy1bY.en....>[3 > > Updates] > > - Some ‘True’ Physical and Religious fables and > > fantasies.<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=ZZ4KpTfy1bY.en....>[1 > > Update] > > - Virgin Mary - new > > advent<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=ZZ4KpTfy1bY.en....>[1 > > Update] > > - [epistemology 0] Digest for [email protected] - 3 > > Messages in 2 > > Topics<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=ZZ4KpTfy1bY.en....>[1 > > Update] > > - B.O.DI.C.E.A. > > C.A.N.C.E.R.<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=ZZ4KpTfy1bY.en....>[1 > > Update] > > - Claude Levi-Strauss > > dies<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=js&name=js&ver=ZZ4KpTfy1bY.en....>[3 > > Updates] > > > Topic: Different points of > > view.<http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology/t/e352b1aa9c1664fe> > > > ornamentalmind <[email protected]> Nov 27 12:57PM -0800 > > > I can, but will not. I will let you have the pleasure of doing your > > own research. > > > "Serenity Smiles" <[email protected]> Nov 27 07:32PM > > > Madhayamaka Buddhism vis a vis Hindu vedanta - this is a very good site > > to > > visit. have not studied it fully myself yet > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "nominal9" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 4:57 PM > > To: "Epistemology" <[email protected]> > > Subject: [epistemology 10995] Re: Different points of view. > > > archytas <[email protected]> Nov 27 10:06PM -0800 > > > I would doubt Nom that any of this kind of void has anything to do > > with thoughts in physics about the nature of emptiness. This is about > > essential conditions in being. I'd admit to some similarities with > > relativity. There is stuff to learn from these sources though I don't > > see it boiling down to much. > > > On 27 Nov, 19:32, "Serenity Smiles" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > archytas <[email protected]> Nov 27 10:13PM -0800 > > > 'Holes' come in for much philosophical treatment too. Early atomist > > theories made much of them and voids. Newton got rather a long way by > > construing space as separate from body. If the experience of > > emptiness is to make all relative then I can't make it as I'm sure I > > wouldn't stay here if all was such. > > > ornamentalmind <[email protected]> Nov 27 11:25PM -0800 > > > “… If the experience of emptiness is to make all relative then I can't > > make it as I'm sure I wouldn't stay here if all was such.” – archy > > > No need to leave then Neil! > > > As far as I can tell, there is no ‘making’ involved…such activity > > would be like standing before one of Van Gogh’s Starry Night paintings > > and tagging it (spray painting it). In this sense, what is …is. > > > In an apparently different sense, any such analysis of anything > > apprehended through the senses will include a related conceptual > > nature (as well as a contextual nature). Emptiness merely means the > > truth that anything is empty of inherent existence. No thing/thought > > arises out of nothing. Further, such things have component parts. If > > they are conceptual or perceptual, specific thoughts/words etc. are > > involved and have direct links to it and those so linked things are a > > part and parcel of the thing currently under investigation. Thus, it > > is related to other things/thoughts/concepts etc. Being so related > > directly implies a relationship and relative nature. This all > > identifies the set of relative/subjective ‘mind’. > > > There also exists that which has no components or movement. This is > > the absolute/objective ‘mind’. > > > And, we have in fact produced a synthetic separation here too. > > > On a more mundane level, Albert E.’s addition of relativity to western > > thought has helped to support and change previous anti-metaphysical > > views. The result is the philosophical corner currently most find > > themselves painted into. A more practical level helps one to > > understand how politicians, educators, thinkers etc. now find no > > ‘center’…no ethos other than one without a possibility of actual > > ethics. This because ‘everything is relative’. Well, it is for their > > thinking…but not in any other way. > > > Georges Metanomski <[email protected]> Nov 27 11:29PM -0800 > > > ============= > > G: > > There are no "thoughts in physics about the nature of emptiness". > > Physics never met her. > > Georges > > ================ > > > socratus <[email protected]> Nov 28 02:56AM -0800 > > > > Georges > > > ================ > > > I would doubt Nom that any of this > > kind of void has anything to do > > with thoughts in physics about the nature of > > emptiness. > > / archytas <[email protected]> / > > > =============== . > > # > > Don’t be doubt ‘ archytas <[email protected]> ‘ > > 1. > > Thermodynamics meets with the Void/ Emptiness/ Vacuum. > > 2. > > Maxwell electrodynamics meets with the Void/ Emptiness/ Vacuum. > > 3. > > SRT meets with the Void/ Emptiness/ Vacuum. > > 4 > > GRT meets with the Void/ Emptiness/ Vacuum. > > 5. > > Atom meets with the Void/ Emptiness/ Vacuum. > > 6. > > Outer space meets with the Void/ Emptiness/ Vacuum. > > 7. > > Religion doesn’t exist without the Void/ Emptiness/ Vacuum. > > == . > > # > > When the next revolution rocks physics, > > chances are it will be about nothing—the vacuum, that endless > > infinite void. > > http://discovermagazine.com/topics/space > > > http://discovermagazine.com/2008/aug/18-nothingness-of-space-theory-o... > > !!!!!!!!!!! > > ================ . . > > > archytas <[email protected]> Nov 28 05:09AM -0800 > > > Surely there are some thoughts Georges, otherwise how do we arrive at > > the notion of something 'empty' only on average? > > > archytas <[email protected]> Nov 28 05:10AM -0800 > > > Relativity can be traced to much earlier times than Einstein. I'm not > > sure the corner is painted to anyway. Most current problems are to do > > with idiot thinking. > > > Georges Metanomski <[email protected]> Nov 28 05:25AM -0800 > > > ============ > > G: > > Not in physics. And even in current language "empty glass" means > > having no wine, but contains air. And words are there to HINT > > the meaning, but taken verbatim hide it. > > Georges > > ============== > > > nominal9 <[email protected]> Nov 28 06:31AM -0800 > > > I can, but will not. I will let you have the pleasure of doing your > > own research. / Ornamentalmind > > > Oh, so that;s the way of it, is it?... Well, if you're going to be > > "snooty".... let me be a bit "sarcastic" in return....If I assume that > > this "void" exists only in some contemplative or meditative state > > attained in the mind of the Adept... does that mean that the said > > Adept-practitioner is .... empty-headed?.... > > nominal9 > > > ornamentalmind <[email protected]> Nov 28 08:47AM -0800 > > > ...for you, the 'lazy' one, it is nom! :-) > > > ornamentalmind <[email protected]> Nov 28 08:52AM -0800 > > > Interesting notion archy...idiot thinking. With almost 20 million > > Google hits, one would think I should know what it means. Alas, I am > > lacking in that regard…having no specific tenets for this class of > > thought let alone other criteria for it other than obviously I don’t > > think that way. (irony) > > > Topic: Relativity One almost ready to use black > > fuel<http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology/t/d1cbda86735dced9> > > > archytas <[email protected]> Nov 27 10:21PM -0800 > > > There are some interesting bits and pieces around about close to light > > flight using dark matter. This would allow rapid acceleration to near > > the speed of light, but has a downside in that we would have to get > > close to the galaxy centre to find enough of the stuff (one reason the > > aliens ain't here is because we lack the stuff). One possibility > > would be to get out there using antimatter or fusion power. All ideas > > welcomed. Containing dark matter might be tough, but there may be > > particles that interaction strongly with it and our general stuff. > > And what about the biology of getting to and being at close to light > > speeds? > > > Georges Metanomski <[email protected]> Nov 27 11:24PM -0800 > > > ============= > > There is dark matter and there is dark grasp. The fabric of dark matter > > is as yet unknown and there are only timid trials to form some > > hypothesis. One is mine in > > http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/SECOND_ENLIGHTENMENT/0h_dark_matter.html > > How good it is I can't say, but at least it tries to shed some light > > on the dark. > > Georges > > =============== > > > archytas <[email protected]> Nov 28 05:04AM -0800 > > > It is easier in my book Georges, thanks to no need for language for > > the characters other than in leisure pursuits. I did think of a big > > sail ship powered by lasers using energy from an array cooling the > > Earth. By the time I was reading about non-particle particles, the > > realisation I'm writing for three-quarter wits who struggle with > > elementary trig made me give up on staying too close to what might be > > in current speculation. The phrase metalanguage shorthand is useful. > > Can't find a beep on biological implications other than the clocks > > running slower etc. > > > Topic: Some ‘True’ Physical and Religious fables and > > fantasies.<http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology/t/5dd556974ff56a88> > > > socratus <[email protected]> Nov 28 03:30AM -0800 > > > Some ‘True’ Physical and Religious fables and fantasies. > > ======== > > Religion tells us nothing but fables and fantasies! > > That is the truth. > > For example: God created woman from Adam’s rib, > > using physical laws. So, what is Religion? > > Religion is the poor man's philosophy. > > > Modern Physics tells us nothing but fables and fantasies! > > That is the truth. > > For example: One Galaxy can eat another Galaxy. > > # > > Cosmic cannibalising: > > Images show one galaxy engulfing another > > > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/cosmic-cannibalising-images... > > # > > The Discovery of one Galaxy "Attacking" Another > > > http://www.astronomyexpert.co.uk/the-recent-discovery-of-one-galaxy-a... > > . . .. etc > > So, what is Physics? > > Physics is the poor man's philosophy. > > == . > > What to do? > > I think we must answer to the simple classic question: > > what did come first the chicken or the egg ? > > If somebody didn’t understand this question, I will ask it simpler: > > What was before Vacuum or Gravity ? > > Does Gravity exist in Vacuum or vice versa? > > Why I ask these questions. > > Because the Universe ( as a whole ) is Two- Measured, > > there are two Worlds: Vacuum and Gravity. > > === . > > Some more ‘ true’ Physical fables and fantasies. > > === . > > 1. > > The Big Bang. > > Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, all matter > > (all elementary particles and all quarks and their > > girlfriends- antiparticles and antiquarks, all kinds of > > waves: electromagnetic, gravitational, muons… > > gluons field ….. etc.) – was assembled in a ‘single point ‘ > > === . > > I don’t agree with the ‘big bang’ theory because nobody > > knows how the ‘ big bang’ can change into ‘single point ‘ > > if Hawking’s radiation from ‘ black hole’ doesn’t give it > > to happen. > > 2. > > Most of elementary particles were got in artificial way, > > using accelerators. This way, in my opinion, is mistaken. > > === . > > In the Ancient Egypt people believed in many gods with > > human body and animal’s head. They thought they really > > existed. For me these new discovered elementary artificial > > particles are similar to Egyptian’s gods because we cannot > > meet them into any atom, in any physical, chemical, biological > > processes on our Earth. > > In the Ancient Greek the people believed that sphinxes and > > centaurs really exist. Maybe now some geneticists can create > > a centaur, but it will be Devil’s work. I am sorry to tell that, > > but it seems to me, physicists, creating such elementary > > artificial particles look like those ‘some geneticists’. > > ( The mad CERN’s way. > > > http://www.spacekb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/astronomy/13338/The-mad-CERN-s-... > > ) > > =========== . > > 3. > > Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, there was ‘ bin bang’. > > And every particle appears with its own spin as derivative from > > the Big Bang. > > == . > > I think the spin of quantum particle doesn’t come from > > big bang, but it comes with ‘ virtual particle from Dirac’s sea’. > > Why? > > We have the real particle – electron. Nobody doubts > > it is a real particle. But a strange thing happens when it > > interacts with Vacuum. All its physical parameters become > > infinite. Why? Is it possible? What is the reason? > > # > > The conditions of the ocean permitted to create different kinds > > of fish. The terrestrial’s conditions permitted to create different > > kinds of animals. And the ‘mixed’ conditions of water, earth > > and air on Earth permitted to create, for example, birds, which > > live and act in these three conditions. > > And if we take Universe as a whole, it is Two- Measured: > > close by Material ( Gravity) World exists Infinite Vacuum World. > > The conditions in these two Worlds are different. > > And when electron moves from Material (Gravity) World to the > > Infinite Vacuum World its physical parameters changes. > > " The law of conservation and transformation energy / mass" > > is connected with electron’s transformation. > > > We know the electron is very important particle in our live. > > It acts in Maxwell’s electrodynamics. > > It acts in the atom. > > But how electron acts in cell and in Outer space we don’t know. > > We need time to understand this fact. > > === . > > P.S. > > Tell me what an electron is and I'll then tell you everything. > > / Somebody./ > > ==== . > > Another ‘ true’ Physical fables and fantasies: > > The time that stretches and space that expands, > > dark matter, dark energy, Higgs boson, quarks, gluons > > and tachyons, axions and partons, qravitino , > > ‘ method of renormalization ‘ . . etc. > > ========== . > > P.S. > > " One thing I have learned in a long life: > > that all our science, measured against reality, is primitive > > and childlike - and yet it is the most precious thing we have." > > / Einstein./ > > This quote is correct, because, at last, only Physics can > > logically explain us the Ultimate Nature of Reality. > > ==========. > > Best wishes. > > Israel Sadovnik. Socratus. > > > ======================== . > > > Topic: Virgin Mary - new > > advent<http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology/t/6d40493ffb4e1423> > > > "Serenity Smiles" <[email protected]> Nov 28 10:07AM > > > Father > > Unknown > > Conceptualised > > Kin > > Including > > Natural > > Grandfather > > > Lives > > In > > Artificial > > Reality > > Systems > > > Reverse this and see what happens, make it a legal right to know one's > > family tree, no-one is conceptualised fatherless > > > Topic: [epistemology 0] Digest for [email protected] - 3 > > Messages in 2 > > Topics<http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology/t/dae60d139848d6fc> > > > Hem Joshi <[email protected]> Nov 28 11:34AM +0530 > > > The Topic "Different points of view" in itself is a great subject of > > discussion where everyone can explore his/her own potentials and > > knowledge > > about anything that exists in our Universe/country/society/village/ > > town/lane/home and above all within his/her own existence. Its like a > > nuclear chain reaction where every single atom is exited to the extent > > to utilize its last existence. > > > -- > > with regards, > > > Hem Joshi > > > Topic: B.O.DI.C.E.A. > > C.A.N.C.E.R.<http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology/t/1f7984c99d58fb31> > > > archytas <[email protected]> Nov 27 04:03PM -0800 > > > Perhaps he's one of those technojerkoffs who have worked out how to > > embed machine code in the run of text and its trying to spread > > viruses? I'm off to Pharyngula for some atheist company. > > > Topic: Claude Levi-Strauss > > dies<http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology/t/3d906bddb68a1406> > > > archytas <[email protected]> Nov 27 12:00PM -0800 > > > Couldn't agree more - these enquiries are Blott on the Landscape. I > > have at least triumphed in disabling my capslock key! > > > chazwin <[email protected]> Nov 27 12:14PM -0800 > > > I find pressing it works > > > archytas <[email protected]> Nov 27 01:44PM -0800 > > > The bastard was responsible for 90% of my typos. Now I can hit it as > > often as I like without ending up re-writing. Of course, I had to > > bribe the whole Belgian Government to do this! I still hold out a > > little hope that such 'roadblocks' are what stop was getting a half- > > way decent society. I'm working on a similar fix for politicians and > > religionists. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Epistemology" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<epistemology%2bunsubscr...@google > > groups.com> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en.
