It was amazing to watch though. It makes me feel a bit creeped-out over how easily people were swayed by a couple of empty water bottles, a thermometer and a desk light - scary stuff. Have you seen my other posting about the evidence for CO2 on this NG? I have posted in across 3 other NGs. The responses have been shockingly disappointing. All answers fall into a few categories: insults, pasting irrelevant shit from various website, accusations of right wing politics, support by the right, accusation of using difficult language, mis-understanding of the question both deliberate and not, one or two argumentum ad verecundium, and just plain anger. But nothing of substance! They have already made up their minds about GW, but none of them have yet asked the most basic question. If I ever needed any evidence that science was a religion then here it is. It has its orthodoxy and its heretics, but none of them can prove the existence of god, and there god is that 0.038% of CO2 in the atmosphere is going to kill us all, whist the heretics "know" it is bullshit. Personally I don't know, but want to find out.
On Dec 20, 11:51 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > The Beeb is very weak on science generally Chaz. I can't remember any > significant showing on television of the climate change science - the > real stuff. I can remember a good summarising book back in 1994 by > Hubert Lamb, but since then I've given up on the media coverage. > There are eight potential greenhouse gases of any significance, but > the key issue should be about climate stability and serious questions > about the quality of human life and what we can establish about past > ecocides and learn from them. Newsnight is generally a spent force - > the last good stuff from them I saw was the Nico Bento case and they > stopped short on the real questions in that. The general shit they > give us follows the same tired format of a few differing opinions that > could never go anywhere. It's all as scientific as a story of post- > apocalypse stuff in which I have 'space-workers' returning to Earth > seeing the venting effects of intentionally controlled ozone holes at > the poles. All we can know for certain is the reporters get fat > salaries. > > On 16 Dec, 23:27, chazwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > If you were watching Newsnight on 16/11/09 then > > you have just witnessed the cheapest conjuring trick ever devised by > > TV. Not even Derren Brown could have pulled off such a feat. ALL the > > dopes on the set were bowled over. > > Here is what happened--- > > Introduce a large amount of CO2 into an empty water bottle and watch > > the temperature soar!! > > But what you saw was quite simply a lie. > > Not one serious sceptic denies that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, the > > argument is if it IS A SIGNIFICANT greenhouse gas. The mount of CO2 > > that was put into the bottle, which incidentally only increased the > > temperature by 4 degrees, if extrapolated to the earth atmosphere > > would require the burning 10 times the amount of coal and oil that now > > exists on earth. > > The simple fact is that there is only 0.038% of CO2 in the atmosphere > > and has only increased by 0,01% in over 100 years. This is what is > > called a TRACE amount. The amount used in the "experiment" was massive > > by comparison. > > In the "experiment" no one stood by to assess the amount of CO2 that > > the nice science lady had spent time generating, but if you dump a > > spoonful of bicarb into vinegar you could easily introduce a > > significant percentage into a 5 litre empty bottle. > > THis was a cheap trick and totally unworthy of the BBC which seems to > > have joined the faithful throng, by toeing the government line that is > > being uses as yet another excuse to tax, tax and tax again. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en.
