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You may have been able to get by without a primer in San Diego but where
you
are now you will definitely need to install one.

Kevin



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From: Tim and Martha Briggs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 12:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Cold Weather Starting Advice

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Ercoupers:

My Coupe has the O-200 engine with a Marvel Schebler Carburetor.  The
plane
has no primer.  Yesterday, I tried to go flying and really had a hard time
starting the engine. My normal start procedure has me "prime" with 2-4
pumps
on the throttle before cranking.  It always started right up on the first
pull in temps down to 45 degrees F.  Yesterday, it was about 15-20 degrees
outside.  I turned it over by hand for a while before cranking to loosen
things up.  We tried for over an hour, quickly needing needing a jump from
a
start cart.  I eventually got her going by pumping the throttle vigorously
as I cranked and then taking it back to idle position.  It sounded like a
radial starting with a pop here then one or two more. Eventually it lit
off
and ran OK from then on although the transition from idle to full power
had
to be done slowly or it stumbled.  I never did get airborne, by the time I
got her running, I was too cold and it was getting late.  Warm restarts
were
instantaneous.

Known conditions:

1.  I just had it annualed, the plugs were cleaned and a few replaced.

2.  It had one flight since the annual.  It started right up on that one
flight, being pulled from a warm hangar.

3.  My current hangar is unheated.  The plane sat for 2 weeks in temps
down
to -5F


Questions:

1.  Pumping the throttle causes the accelerator pump to shoot gas into the
carb throat.  After shutting down, there was a puddle of gas on the
ground.
I fear that I'm risking a fire with all that pumping but that was the only
way she would light off.  Is there anything else I can do to "prime"
without
a primer??

2.  In reading up on the Marvel Schebler carb, I see there is an idle
mixture screw.  Would any adjustments to this help the transition from
idle
to high power in cold temps?  Unless you advance very slowly, the engine
stumbles.

3.  The engine's behavior reminds me of trying to start my old Buick in
the
cold when the choke didn't work.  Is there any way to "choke" the carb or
install a manual choke on a Marvel Schebler carb?

Any advice would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Tim Briggs
1950 Erco 415G
N94413



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