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Well said, Kevin, my thought exactly! What we do notice is that there are some new planes coming back. A Cub derivative, the Taylorcraft and some more for about $60K, brand new. Beyond the reach of most folks who won't care about the regs but definitely within the grasp of some. I really haven't been following too closely, but is there any reason for the Sport license other than self medicals? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Gassert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Wayne'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Sydney Cohen'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Maynard Smith'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:01 AM Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] ERCOUPE TURNOUT! > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > > We all thought Sport pilot would help but now I am not so sure. I made the > mistake of commenting a couple times on the Sport Pilot and Sport Aircraft > egroups on Yahoo and quickly realized that the people on those groups had no > interest with the old guys and their old airplanes. Are we going to see > sport pilot centers pop up around the country filled with young people or is > it another useless license like recreational? I have had contact with ultra > light flyers, some good and some bad, I can see it going either way. What I > mean by that is that some of the ultra light flyers took advantage of their > status as un-licensed to thumb their nose at the rules and regulations that > we pilots go by while some of them did consider themselves pilots and did > follow the rules. Unfortunately those that did consider themselves pilots > were the old guys that had lost there medical so they were long time pilots. > We all supported sport pilot because we thought it would allow these guys to > fly their old airplanes again but these are the guys that are getting > screwed now while the young ultra light guys who don't give two hoots about > the regs are free to fly the sport pilot aircraft. We also supported sport > pilot to get young people interested but if they are content to keep > themselves segregated from us old farts then if it does get off the ground > there may be tension between the groups. I hope not. Some of the new LSAs > are very interesting but I am an old fart who likes old cars, airplanes and > Warbirds. There have always been different groups with different interest in > aviation that have all gotten along at the airport because we all follow > basically the same rules. The only exception I have seen is the ultra lights > flyers. Unfortunately I think the majority of the sport pilots are going to > come from that group as the young guys that are now going to be able to fly > their fat ultra light legally some of which have been flying it illegally > and not really caring. Once again this is not my view of all ultra light > pilots, I have know and still know quit a few of them, but all the good ones > also flew certificated aircraft at some time. I am in two EAA chapters, an > experimental and a Warbird chapter, and we do have a few younger people but > not many and we do fly a lot of Young eagles. I started flying when I was 19 > and I have always noticed that all the guys at the airport were older then > me and to some extent that is still true but the gap is getting narrower > every year. The younger guys are not airport bums, they come to the airport, > rent a plane, fly for an hour then go home. No wonder they loose interest > after a couple years. Anyway I guess I have gotten off topic here and I hope > I don't start a rat hole. I just remembered, I don't even remember what the > topic was. > > Kevin > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 6:54 AM > To: Sydney Cohen; Maynard Smith > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] ERCOUPE TURNOUT! > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > advice in this forum.]---- > > > Hi Syd, > > I Just came from a meeting of the Central Valley Airmen's Association > (California) and the same problem persists. After the meeting had > progressed for several hours, we were all exhausted and way past our > bedtimes, cause we were a bunch of old farts!! There wasn't one person > around the table under 40! Where are all the kids interested in aviation? > have all the rules and regulations scared em' off? Or is it the bunch of us > > old Dinosaurs that are hidden behind razor wire that don't present an > interesting picture for them, or what? I don't have the answer, and neither > > do a lot of other people. The Young Eagle Program was supposed to bring us > a whole new era of interested parties, but there was no follow up, and it > took ten years to reach a million kids and parents. What a small portion of > > the population that is, and there are no kids at the fence any more. I > wonder where they are! > Remember; as long as you are a member of EAA and have a Parent or Guardians > signature on an official Young Eagles form, you are covered under the EAA > insurance for a Young Eagles Flight. However I still don't think that's the > > answer. > I just don't know. > When it happened to me at the 1997 Ercoupe Nationals, I thought it was me! > I was over enthusiastic and did not involve enough people, but I have since > realized that it was the beginning of a National trend. I hope some one has > > a suggestion. > > We fly to eat!! > > Wayne Woollard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sydney Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Maynard Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] ERCOUPE TURNOUT! > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > I guess we've got to convince some people to fly their airplanes, not just > > > look at them. > > > > Syd > > > > > > Maynard Smith wrote: > > > >>----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > >>advice in this forum.]---- > >> > >> > >>Syd Cohen wrote: > >> "You know, I'm kind of ashamed of you guys and gals. We now have 50 > >> planes registered for the Ercoupes, Cubs & Aeroncas Fly-In at Pioneer, > >> and out of the 50, only 3 are Ercoupes. Here I am, Ercoupe Owners > >> Club Regional Director, and the Fly-In Chairman, and what do I get from > >> the club? Not much." --------------------- > >> Don't feel bad Syd, there are over 250 coupes registered in California > >> and we are lucky to get 6 or 8 to a flyin! 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