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The only time you should be split-essing is if a hostile is on your tail and actually firing at you. If you aren't seeing tracer past your windscreen...don't! Dr. R. Beeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard logston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "N161LH 3B9" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Ercoupe Eroubatics > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > advice in this forum.]---- > > > A-men to that, Nothing to prove by doing acro in a coupe!!!!! Dick > Logston > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N161LH 3B9" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:33 AM > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Ercoupe Eroubatics > > >> ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any >> advice in this forum.]---- >> >> >> Hi Wayne, >> >> I couldn't agree more. This comes up every couple of years. First, this >> is not an aircraft which is approved for aerobatic use. Second, they're >> not getting any younger. Why you'd risk a classic plane doing this is >> beyond me. >> >> I have heard many, many tales of this being attempted back in the day, >> and most of those tales have unhappy endings. I seem to recall a few >> occasions of folks breaking out of loops in unintended split Ss with >> unpleasant effects on the airframe. >> >> Whatever. They're not made for it. Don't do it. >> >> Leslie Holbrook >> Alon A2 N161LH (Flying Colors #1) >> Chester, CT 3B9 >> >> >> >> >>>From: "Wayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Reply-To: "Wayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>To: "Marty Duke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> >>>Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Ercoupe Eroubatics >>>Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 07:02:05 -0700 >>> >>>----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any >>>advice in this forum.]---- >>> >>> >>>Coupers:: >>>Aerobatics in an Ercoupe/Aircoupe is a frightening concept to me! I have >>>known others who have attempted certain maneuvers, some were successful >>>most were not. The Ercoupe was designed to be forgiving of what used to >>>be called power on and power off Stall/spin accidents. Pilots loosing >>>control on arrival and departure. a serious problem at the time the >>>Ercoupe was designed. To accomplish this Fred designed the airframe with >>>small rudder control surfaces, limited elevator movement, and >>>differential aileron control. This was done to LIMIT control input by the >>>pilot in order to keep the pilot from cross controlling the airframe and >>>thereby loosing control in the process. >>>The Ercoupe lacks power, control authority, inverted systems, physical >>>strengths, and pilot restraint, required to maneuver outside the >>>"straight and level." control envelope. >>>Why on Earth anyone would want to exceed the physical limitations of a >>>pure pleasure aircraft is beyond my comprehension! >>>I know of 2 people that are still with us that have looped a Coupe. I >>>know of 9 that are no longer with us who have failed in the attempt. You >>>do the math! >>>Wayne Woollard >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Marty Duke >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:36 PM >>> Subject: [COUPERS-FLYIN] Ercoupe Eroubatics >>> >>> >>>----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any >>>advice in this forum.]---- >>> >>> >>>Hi All, >>> >>> Jim Phelps story reminded me that I've been meaning to ask you all >>> "What kind of aerobatics have you done in a Coupe?". In the past two or >>> so years of owning a 415C, I've had three pilots come up to me and tell >>> me stories of looping Coupes. One was a fellow who said the salesman >>> over at the Shelton Airport near here looped one with him on a demo ride >>> in a brand new Coupe. Another guy here in Renton said he did it >>> regularly in a Coupe he used to own (He now has a very nice Cessna 180 >>> on floats that he has loops as well nowadays, believe it or not). The >>> third was a older fellow I met at the Arlington EAA flyin last year. He >>> now flies a neat gyrocopter that he tows around on a trailer behind his >>> Miata. He and his dad had a FBO in Montana, where they rented Ercoupes. >>> He had a couple thousand hours in Coupes consequently. He gave me all >>> the details on how to loop a Coupe. He went on to explain how you can >>> do a real nice barrel roll in a Coupe, if you know what you are doing >>> too. He said he loved doing a barrel roll in a Coupe, because many >>> thought it couldn't be done. I don't remember all the details of his >>> explanations of how to do these maneuvers, but he made it sound easy. >>> From what I remember, somewhere, a 415C is eligible for some aerobatic >>> maneuvers, since is was built before there was a Normal Category, which >>> limits some of this stuff in newer aircraft. I'm not thinking of trying >>> any of this stuff in a 60 year old airframe, but am curious if in of you >>> out there still do any of this, or what you might have tried in one of >>> our babies in the past. >>> >>> Marty Duke N10743 KRNT WA7HOI >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>======================================================================= ======= >>>To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm >>>Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>======================================================================= ======= >>>To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm >>>Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ >>> >>> >> >> >> ========================================================================== ==== >> To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm >> Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ >> >> >> >> > > > ========================================================================== ==== > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ > > > > ========================================================================== ==== To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/
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