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Bob,
Would you please send me
your contact phone numbers for the FAA Sport group at Kansas City including the
name(s) of the people you talked to there?
Guys and Gals,
Robert Ames has brought
up the issue of a C that has spent some time as a D and whether it should be
eligible to be flown by a Sport Pilot.
Since the issue has been brought to their attention, I think we should
put some effort into getting it resolved with the right answer.
Do you think we should
nominate a couple of our members to call the FAA Sport group in Kansas City to
represent us? Or, should we *all* call them en-mass to convince them
that the no-revision rule should not apply to Ercoupes?
(My position is that
early model Ercoupes were continuously eligible to be C or CD and it’s just
part of their natural life cycle to have spent some time as a D so they shouldn’t
be penalized when they are in the C or CD mode.)
What do you think?
Ed
Burkhead
http://edburkhead.com/
ed -at- edburkheadQQQ.com (change -at- and remove the QQQ)
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Ames
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:27
PM
To: Ed Burkhead
Subject: Fw: Ercoupe
Greetings Ed, I read your comment
to me in yahoo gp SP
but I still HAD to persue this issue with
the FAA. I'm the kinda of guy that will stand and wait ten minutes
for a walk signal at a cross walk with no traffic. Below is my email to
the EAA their reply and my reply back to EAA and it covers where I stand with
the FAA after my morning calls to them. Still waiting for an answer, but
at least no flat out no's.. Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Ames To: Joe
Norris Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Ercoupe Greetings from TN Joe, First I thank you
for your quick response, especially to a non-member. However I would
be a member if I ever get wings underneath me again,
MAYBE. I think the EAA and the AOPA did a great disservice to the flying
interest by not insisting on the 1946 415-C Ercoupe of which over 4000 were
built in the year 1946 alone, and other such planes that fit this special
situation to be brought back into the LSA rule. To me this is further
proof of the mind set of a throw away society. All these 4000+ planes
were manufactured with a GW of 1260 lbs. well within the LSA rule
limit. Just because most of these planes were allowed MINOR changes to be
given a GW of 1400 lbs. should NOT mean they can be thrown away because they
can't be returned to their original GW and enjoyed under the new LSA
rule. This says to me the REAL purpose of the SP and LSA rule
was to start a whole new industry of making LSA planes, to hell with the has
beens. I talked with FAA Denver this morning
where the responsibility lies for the two TYPE Certificates A-718 and A-787
that covers all the Ercoupes with Univair being the holder. I must say I
got to two very encouraging people in two different dept's..
But was told to call FAA Kansas City because it was a Sport Pilot question
and the KC office was suppose to handle all SP questions. So the KC
office listened to me with real interest especially when I told them that over
4000 415-C's were made in the year 1946 alone he quickly realized that this was
not just a one time issue they would face. However like normal I was told
they would have to do some research to answer my question. I don't think
I'm the only potential SP to think this way...... Joe if your still
reading this Thank You, Bob Ames ----- Original Message
-----
To: Robert
Ames Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: RE: Ercoupe ==================== Hello Robert, You've already found the
answer to the question of why the 415-C/D is eligible for operation by sport
pilots while the 415-D is not. The answer to your second question is no,
the FAA will not allow an aircraft that has been modified to be outside the
definition of a light-sport aircraft (LSA) to be "brought back
in". The definition of a LSA as called out in 14 CFR 1.1 will
require that the aircraft be originally certificated and continually
operated within the LSA definition in order to be eligible for operation by
sport pilots. Aircraft that have been modified so as to fall outside the
LSA definition could not meet the requirement to be continually operated within
the definition. Hope this helps!
Let me know if you have further questions. -----Original
Message----- I sent the
following email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I
have egg all over my face because there is a BIG error in it I took the info
from a chart in the Ercoupe Owners web site the Ercoupe 415-C/D does NOT
have a gross weight rating of 1400 lbs. but in fact is the same as the 415-C
gross weight rating of 1260 lbs. as I have since verified by down
loading both Type Certificates for the Ercoupe from the FAA site.
But the basic question still remains, will the FAA allow a plane that was
originally manufacture under one type and then modified to come under another
type be registered back to the original type?????? I'm also sending this to
Vintage because I thought my original email would end up there anyways, I
just wanted to let you know that I'm acknowledging my error, based on poor
research on my part.....Thank you, Bob Ames ----- Original Message
-----
From: Robert Ames Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 2:59 PM Subject: Ercoupe In your listing of
Aircraft Certificated in Standard Category, Eligilble for operation by Sport
Pilots, you list the Ercoupe 415-C and the 415-CD as Eligible. However
the Ercoupe 415-D as NOT Ellgible. The 415-D was
manufactured in 1947 the 415-CD was also manufactured in 1947 BOTH with a
Gross Weight rating of 1400 lbs. Then WHY is a 415-C
manufactured in 1946 modified and replacarded to a 415-D with a
Gross Weight rating of 1400 lbs. not eligilble???? Is it accepted by the
FAA to replacard a 1946 415-C that has been modified and placarded a 415-D back
to a 415-C with the placard stating a Gross Weight of the original 1260 lbs.
without undoing the modifications??? Thank you for your
prompt response as a sale is pending, Bob Ames
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From: Robert Ames
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Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004
10:33 AM
To: info services
Subject: Fw: Ercoupe
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