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"First, your own bank may tell you that the money is yours and 30 days later 
you find out it isn't."

This is what I have read somewhere too.

The check clears, and after the guys took your money, they revise the 
withdrawal and your bank tells you that the check is bounced at a later stage 
and now you owe the difference.

It might even be that the folks founded their own bank and state to your bank 
that the amount is covered, but it is not 30 days after.

In any case - no one in this world gives something away for free. If they claim 
so , it's a scam.


Hartmut
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: AJ DeMarzo 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] BUYER BEWARE - SELLER, TOO


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  As outrageous as this scam sounds, it works all the time.  If you have 
elderly relatives, please take care of them.  

  Now it's not all that simple as our own doctor of ercoupology makes it 
appear. First, your own bank may tell you that the money is yours and 30 days 
later you find out it isn't.  So unless you know what you're doing, don't play 
with these people.  They're criminals and if given the opportunity they will 
murder you.  Take this from an old retired cop!

  Al DeMarzo
  Visit the Ercoupe Swap Page - Free and Easy
  http://www.ercoupeowners.com/swap/swapbook.htm


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    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
    To: Karl Sutterfield ; [email protected] 
    Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:59 AM
    Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] BUYER BEWARE - SELLER, TOO


    I don't understand the problem here.

    1. The femme sends you her check for a hundred grand.

    2. You go to a bank where you don't do any other business and open an 
account.

    3.  Check arrives; you deposit check. 

    4.  Check clears; you're rolling in dough, or...

    4a. Check bounces, you chalk it up to Revenge Against The Great Satan and 
file charges with the police in whatever Third World pesthole the check came 
from. 

    This seems to be a variation on the old scheme of sending the seller a 
check for more than the proper amount, and asking the difference to be refunded 
to the "buyer." 

    I could never see a problem with this, either. All you do is deposit the 
check that comes in and if it clears, you use part of the money to refund. If 
they try to hurry you, get anatomical with them. 

    The only situation that can hurt you here is if you're too much in a hurry. 
You have to give these international instruments time to bounce around the 
garbage dumps they come from to insure that nobody is issuing a good check then 
gutting their account behind it. 

    Your bank can advise you how to protect against that. 

    Of course, the absolutely safest way is electronic transfer. But 
remember...the transferring bank might have very slow internal procedures, so 
that they think they have the money in the account, whereas the slick operator 
who initiatied the wire transfer has pulled the money out of the account behind 
it.

    To guarantee against this, simply remember the following Rule Of 
International Payment:

    "It ain't your money until YOUR bank says it's your money."

    Dr. R. Beeman



      -----Original Message----- 
      From: Karl Sutterfield 
      Sent: Feb 11, 2007 11:28 PM 
      To: [email protected] 
      Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] BUYER BEWARE - SELLER, TOO 

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      At 04:28 PM 2/11/2007, DONALD BOWEN wrote:

      >My ALON is for sale (see Al's Swap Page) ... a foreign lady from (?) 
      >wanted to buy the airplane ... she would send me a check for 
      >$105,000, which I was to deposit it to my bank account ... this was 
      >obviously a scam, and stopped exchange of e-mails with her ... BEWARE!

      An interesting twist ... thanks for the heads-up.



      Karl Sutterfield
      N9532V, Mooney M10 Cadet s.n. 700022

      [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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      Kerrville, TX 78029
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