It's all about competition and in one case - foreign competition.
If Coupe Capers is going to be the viable publication we want it to
be, they are going to have to get with it. I think most people would
like to submit their project/repair photos to CC but they seem
unresponsive. They could have promoted a swap page. They could send
out emails soliciting material - I have yet to receive a single email
from them. They could farm out some of the work to trusted
individuals for emailing or web page updating. Story opportunites
abound. Winter is here. What weight of oil is best for cold weather?
How much of the front cowl opening should be covered or AL plate vs
duct tape?
The list of possible news stories is almost endless.
Many changes are possible and easily done if CC is willing to do
them.\
Mike @C35.
--- In [email protected], "AJ DeMarzo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I don't mind replying to this, it's a good and valid opinion, and
since this is supposed to be a discussion group discussing, let's
discuss.
>
> Everyone's input here is valuable to me, whether they agree with my
thoughts or not. I like to think that I can look and learn and have
the ability to grow, meaning accept changes and see and accept errors
on my part, so thanks Syd, Jerry, Mark and the others.
>
> I'm sorry, Bud, I don't understand your first paragraph. Are you
saying that since people have chosen to participate here (the only
group for Coupes of it's kind on the internet) they've made the
decision that this should be the only source of info they should
refer to?
>
> Let's hope everyone knows more people off this list than the few
who post, and it would be wise to realize that what's tossed around
here needs to be validated. Many still would like to see the ideas,
whatever they state, and ultimately when it comes to mechanicals,
their own A&P's should have the ability to know right from wrong. My
own A&P is a Top Dog with Bell Helicopter and he's always learning
things from me due to my experience with Bonanzas. Does that mean I
know more than he? Absolutely not, but he gets the input he needs to
make decisions.
>
> Everything technical should be directed to EOC technical people?
Why? Are there no other people qualified to answer any technical
questions about the Ercoupe? When I have a question about a
Continental engine, (they're in Ercoupes) I have the ability to ask
one of Continental's retired technical engineers (35 years
w/Continental) and who now runs his own shop in MO. Are you saying
he's not a good source because he's not EOC? Come on, get real!
>
> I'll agree that most of the knowledgeable folks in EOC are not
posting on the list. Our loss. Ed, go on out there and see if you
can let them know how much fun it is to be here and how much
knowledge they can pass to others that need the info about their
hobby!
>
> Don't underestimate yourself, Mark. Everyone's knowledge is
limited but in your area of expertise, you are a Jedi Knight! If
you're too tired to participate it's our loss. I also think that you
are the type of person who will react when seeing something posted
that is a wrong or dangerous practice. In your position with EOC,
participation would show that the club does care about a person or a
prospect whether or not they kick in $30 and keep their mouths shut
about needed changes. It's your choice to not let folks know if
they're wasting money on an item or should be looking in another
direction for a product. We respect that.
>
> Are you sure the comments about the newsletter are directed at the
lack of content? Could it possibly be something else? I don't
comment on it because I don't get it so I don't know. The fact that
there are so many things mentioned would be a red flag to me. During
this few-day discussion that is interpreted by some as a bash, I've
found out that many articles are submitted and never printed. No
reasons, no input. Maybe they're bad? I've also found
that "Attaboys" are literally non existent. Not necessarily a bad
thing, but not a wise thing either. Those who submit articles are
not looking for a publication reference to use to obtain their PhD's,
they sincerely want to help the community.
>
> I agree that things should be sent in to EOC, probably everything!
I can't tell you about Hartmut's site, but when folks want to sell or
buy, they'll use my site mainly because it's current and fresh. I
don't charge anything even though it costs about $700 to $1000 a year
to maintain and the ads go back a long way. Can the building and
maintenance of the Swap Page be interpreted as my way of helping the
community or do I have to be a member of EOC to have that validated?
Sorry, I just thought about that and it pissed me off!
>
> Agree that activities should be given to EOC. Plan them in advance
and get the word out! The internet is faster which opens another
opportunity that is being missed, IMO.
>
> I'll disagree about the problem/solution thing. The problems are
many and including the inability of the EOC to communicate on the
level that has become the norm in today's times and their historical
unwillingness to make changes necessary to get them out of the
1950's, and finally the again historical practice of interpreting
constructive criticism as an attempt to overthrow the power base.
This time it really is "NO SHIT, AL", statement. What is promising
though is that everything can be fixed. What's puzzling is that there
seems to be something preventing those changes from occurring.
Therein lies my biggest peeve. Not a who, not a what, but a why?
Can you really answer that for me?
>
> Mark's comment about becoming a member is correct. I have yet to
see anyone ever on this discussion list try to convince anyone
otherwise. If they did, let me know about it, I'd like to address it
with that individual, and I have with some.
>
> Mark's next recommendation is surely a sad one and I can't be
interpreting it as it appears written. Communication is the key to
society's growth. Why would anyone not want to grow? Rewrite that
one, bud. Show your not the person who could say such a thing.
>
> Mark's hopefully not really done here, and he's indicated that he
signed up some new blood. I sincerely hope that our lively
discussion has spurred that interest in the organization.
>
> Over to you - anyone!
>
> Al DeMarzo
> Visit the Ercoupe Swap Page - Free and Easy
> http://www.ercoupeowners.com/swap/swapbook.htm
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 8:38 PM
> Subject: [ercoupe-flyin] WE SUPPORT EOC
>
>
>
> WELL SPOKEN SYD,
> WELL SPOKEN JERRY E.,
>
> In answer to AL Demarzo.
>
> I prefer to not share info on this list, not because of liability
issues, ( I am an IA, CFI )
> But because of the reasons already expressed on this list - Why
Join the EOC - you get what you need here... Guess You don't need
the knowledge bank that the EOC. has - you have all you need right
here.
>
> GUESS WHAT FOLKS ... I know more people off this list than on,
> YOU ARE GETTING SOME GOOD, and SOME BAD INFO
>
> Everything Technical should be directed to the EOC. technical
people.
>
> Most of the most knowledgable folks in the EOC are not on this
list.
>
> My Knowledge limited to what it is, and is shared with most
anyone, most of the time - Why would I want to type ALL day, My time
is valuable, believe it or not,
>
> I believe that if you ercoupe owners club members want a better
newsletter with better content. then SUBMIT IT TO COUPE CAPERS for
publication.
>
> .....You send it to Hartmut's website and Al 's Swap-page WHY
NOT TO COUPE CAPERS.
>
> FLY-Ins or OUTs - SUBMIT IT TO COUPE CAPERS.
>
> If you haven't then you are a part of the problem and not part of
the solution.
>
> I recommend that if you want help with your plane, Technical
advice, Fix It tips, or just Dumb Questions. ( PS: there are not
any ) Become a member, submit, get to know Your SOCIAL Circle. and
then you have a strong club Cause NO SHIT AL ,. A club is made up of
its members. Members make the club what it is.
>
> IMHO:
> THOSE PPL ON THIS LIST WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE EOC.- SHUT UP -
SAVE YOUR FINGERS- LET THEM JOIN IF THEY WANT HELP& ADVICE.
>
> I'm done here
>
> Have fun kids
>
> Mark Hardin
> Terrell Tx.
>
> PS. JUST SIGNED UP 3 NEW MEMBERS,
> THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT
>
>
>
>
>
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