RE: [COUPERS-TECH] Trimming messages

[Jerry Eichenberger]

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I, too, always prefer to see the entire thread of discussion in all replies.  The answer alone, without the question, does no good.

 

Jerry E.

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From: Hartmut Beil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:37 AM
To: Ctech
Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Trimming messages

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I developed the same behavior like Al when it comes to reading E-mails.

I reply with all what was there before. I need that to keep track of all the conversations that I have all over the world.

Despite my preferences, I'm getting e-mails from some that don't include our previous conversation.

Getting such emails, I am usually clueless, especially when the reply arrives days after I sent out my message.

Sometimes I get a plain "yes, you are right "  as the whole message.

Now, I know I am right - I am always right. But where was I right this time ? No clue.

I am using Outlook Express that neatly orders the latest addition to such trail on the top of the page.

So I read the newest stuff first and can scroll down if I have to.

 

No biggy in my eyes.

 

Hartmut

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From: A DeMarzo

To: Ctech

Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 2:51 PM

Subject: Re: [COUPERS-TECH] Trimming messages

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There are a few factors here that I wish some folks would consider before trying to mold a public forum (i.e. everyone else's practices) to meet their personal needs and desires.  (Not you, Ed, this is true in general.)  I exercise my delete button regularly due to receiving probably 400 email messages a day.  True to form, 70% are spam, but business dictates that at least the header/sender be reviewed.  Of my aviation related list monitoring, another 85% of emails are discussing subjects I don't care to read.  This regular deleting practice, needing to be done in a very short time, conditions you to pick and choose very quickly, then move on.  Having the attention span of a puppy and the memory of an ant, I appreciate being able to quickly review a reply and its original, especially when there are multiple participants in a conversation/discussion.  Nothing gets me more than when a seemingly fine statement is tossed out there with no reference.  Reminds me of someone talking to themselves.  Remember, there are a bunch of things going on within my brain and it's at its capacity.  If I need to remember something new, something old must be deleted due to capacity problems.

 

For example, I previously responded to the original message below, now I'm responding to this message which is related.  After I replied, I forgot about it and went on with life.  I'm not going to take the time to go into the archives or my deleted file to pull up the original in order to comment.  At least being able to have a bit of a reminder helps this old dog a bunch. 

 

So try to realize that everyone is not the same, we all don't learn the same, we all don't retain the same and we're all completely different people.  And remember your keyboard has a delete button that can be replaced when you wear it out and you don't even have to pay 1/2 of current new prices for a 60 year old model.

 

Flame away, but remind me what we're talking about.

 

Al

 

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From: Ed Burkhead

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Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 7:10 AM

Subject: [COUPERS-TECH] Trimming messages

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Trimming messages

 

Jim Slade mentioned the other day that when people reply.  “What I'm getting is a rerun of the entire conversation every time another person replies to it..over and over again.”

 

That’s not due to hitting <Reply> instead of <Reply All>.  Rather, it is because most e-mail programs copy the entire message to which you are replying into the reply your are writing.  Sometimes the old text is above your new writing, sometimes below your new writing.

 

And, after the conversation has gone on for a while, you can get 3, 5 15 messages all included in EVERY message.

 

It IS a problem – both in just FINDING the new text and in the wasted transmission time and storage.

 

Since it is pretty easy to go back and look at the discussion thread, most list managers are now asking people to TURN OFF that automatic copying of the old message.  If you keep the old messages yourself or use the archives, you can look back at old messages if you need to.  Also, it’s reasonable to quote enough of the previous message(s) so people know what you’re talking about – like I did in the first paragraph.

 

How to:

 

Various programs turn off this quoting in different ways.  In most, you would look across the top menu toolbar, pausing your mouse on each item and look for <options> or sometimes <preferences> in the dropdown menus.

 

If you DO want to quote someone else’s text, you can do that pretty easily by highlighting the text you want with your mouse holding down the mouse button while you sweep the desired text.  Then you click on <edit> and <copy>  or type <cntl-C> to copy that text into the clipboard.  Next, you place your mouse in your new message in the place you want it and either click on <edit> and <paste> or just press <cntl-V>.

 

A second option I tried for a while was to let the autocopy do its thing, then every time delete the unneeded text.  But I found that to be more fuss.  I found out I rarely need to copy much text and very often didn’t need to copy ANY of the preceding message.

 

So, please, all, turn off that automatic copying of the preceding message OR manually delete most or all of the preceding message before you send your reply.

 

Thanks to everyone for your help.

 

Ed Burkhead

http://edburkhead.com

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