Hi Bart,

Your post made my day. It tells the "rest of the story" that I was trying to alert people to.

I talked about landings, and you talked about takeoffs. (see below). Obviously in the process of taking off, using the brakes to drop the wink is not an option.

Without regard to the skill of the pilot, there is the period of acceleration from about 45 to 65 mph that a tail-low bird may have a wing picked up by a gusty. I'm not convinced at those speeds there is always sufficient elevator authority to compress the taxi spring enough with forward yoke pressure to achieve the angle of attack of the wing originally
designed.  The pilot has just transitioned from pilot to test pilot!

Accordingly, it is in this situation that a low-tail couper can find himself/herself departing the runway if the plane weathervanes (directional control with the yoke by the pilot becomes unpredictable and unreliable) before sufficient speed is available to fully lift
off and fly.

It doesn't matter whether the tail low condition is the result of substituting a 5" nose wheel and tire for a 4" nose wheel and tire (lengthens nose strut) or is the owner is operating with the original 1946 rubber donuts (now compressed so as to shorten the effective
"taxi length" of the main gear legs).

It is important to get the plane's sill level again since each such takeoff is literally a "roll of the dice". It is desirable to replace the donuts (or repair the Bellevilles) if these do not take up all the space (no more than 1/16" space in the "stack" with the clip in place, and then add whatever spacer thickness is necessary to get the sill back to design (level)
condition.

And always remember that our own Bill Coons did the head work and the leg work to get
the spacers accepted by the FAA.

Regards,

WRB

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From: William R. Bayne <[email protected]>
Date: March 16, 2009 20:11:24 CDT
To: 'Ercoupe Tech Forum' <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Re: snubber cable HOW THIS ROUND STARTED


Hi Dan,

Tail height becomes a non-issue for a competent Ercoupe pilot who lands at minimum speed. The plane is through flying and will behave regardless. Likewise the minor delay in steering authority from a snubber cable.

Don't check for "tail height", but for the "level sill" of a properly rigged and airworthy airframe.

That said, there is genuine danger lurking for someone new to the Ercoupe without competent instruction and "low tail" syndrome, landing at or above 65 MPH TAS in gusty crosswinds. The Ercoupe Instruction Manual will NOT tell them that if (1) a gust lifts a wing (the low tail allows it to be at sufficiently positive angle of attack to "self-rotate"), (2) they don't immediately apply the brakes to dump speed and kill the lift and (3) the bird then "weathervanes", they can be in deep yogurt very, very fast without understanding what happened. This can happen VERY quickly.

If their seller did not know or explain these things, their mechanic likely will not be of help. Clairvoyance is not a requirement to exercise the privileges of the private pilot license, and there is no placard to warn new owners of this danger in advance.

The "low tail syndrome" is a phenomena which arises from (1) lack of proper attention to the main gear rubber "taxi springs", or "donuts, (2) installation of a 5" nose wheel and tire for the previous 4" nose wheel and tire, and (3) installation of the Forney-style double-fork nose wheel support.

If they are scared sufficiently by the experience to sell the plane, we have another unenlightened pilot that will "bad-mouth" the Ercoupe until the day they die without ever having understood that THEY brought on the problem by (1) choosing to land fast (normally not a problem), and (2) not having re-established the level sill condition that the plane had when delivered (which makes landing too fast risky in gusty crosswinds).

Good summation overall!

William R. Bayne
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(Copyright 2009)

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On Mar 27, 2009, at 19:08, bbartsey wrote:

I had my coupe in for its annual and after bitching for a year about the crosswind landing/takeoff characteristics of my coupe, I had the spacers installed on the main gear. My, my. What a difference that made. I took off from Naples, FL in a fairly tame crosswind to go to have my annual done and the last part of the takeoff roll was a wants-to-weathervane-and-opposite steering-raises the upwind wing-yahoo maneuver. I even commented to the tower about Ercoupes not having rudder control because I had become airborne over the grass on the right side of the runway. Looked tacky and I wanted to apologize. Well, sir, after the spacers were installed, the upwind wing does not want to raise when downwind steering is used and the plane as as docile as a kitten now in crosswinds. Today, we had winds 30-45 degrees off runway heading gusting 25 to 30 and the landing was like on a calm day. I can't believe the difference. Point is, if your Coupe looks a little like a tail-dragger, get the spacers to level it back up. You'll get a quantum jump in crosswind handling characteristics.
Bart

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