Bill,
Do you have  phd of some kind?
Thanks,
Lee

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Ed,

Bart pretends to respond to my post of 6/26 at 5:17pm with multiple insinuations as ridiculous as they are inaccurate, and you ask I meekly accept such in silence? You ask too much, I think.

His unprovoked and undisguised hostility has not been reprimanded. He remains free to do it again at any time on any subject. I yield to your authority as moderator but dispute the wisdom of your request. As a courtesy I am sending you my response to Bart as a cc. I will additionally share it with any and every individual who asks, on or off list.

You claim to "value" a collegiate atmosphere that clearly does not exist. In the absence of reasonable standards from you, anything goes. Always has. Instead of moderating the heat under the pot, when the pot boils you turn off the fire. Full on and full off may have been "state of the art in terms of controlling early airplane engines but that was a hundred years ago or so. It's absolutely primitive in a day of computers and psychologists. Primitive isn't innocence. It is unrestrained excess...an absence of civility absolutely contrary to any "collegiate atmosphere".

As moderator, you have responsibility inseparable from the authority you randomly wield whether you know it or not. No society can long function without agreement of some sort among a majority as to what conduct is acceptable and what is not. Such agreement is inseparably intertwined with the PRIMARY purpose of forums such as this list. If you, yourself, know what that is, would you be kind enough to share that knowledge with those on TECH?

If it is to encourage the exchange of useful information, more "structure" from you could improve the civility and volume of such exchange. If, as a result, more people of like mind joined, and participation between expert and novice alike increased, would that not be deemed desirable?

If it is to merely survive just as it is, like a rogue rose unpruned, what's the "point"? The debates between good information and that which is incorrect or misleading are routinely hijacked by individuals who would prevail by undisguised personal intimidation. We expel the disruptive from our schools at some point because their very presence is fundamentally incompatible with the learning process. Is there such a point here? Where?

When egos are allowed more influence than experience or knowledge on TECH, the sheer volume of manure eventually smothers honest debate and the flow of useful information ceases. This happens with such regularity and predictability that we even have a term for it useful in search. The term is PIZZA. The effect is, again, fundamentally incompatible with the learning process.

WRB

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On Jun 26, 2010, at 17:42, Ed Burkhead wrote:



 
Bill,
 
Please respond to Bart, if at all, off the forum.  I’ve already responded to him.
 
Ed


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