Well let me be one to welcome you also. This is one great bunch of guys, always willing to help each other. I had never even been up close to a coupe until I bought mine about a year ago, and now am fairly intelligent about them, thanks primarily to this board. We really are not a bunch of sue happy guys as you might imagine. Welcome aboard, and feel free to ask questions, this is the place for answers for sure.
--- In ercoupe-tech@yahoogroups.com, Pizzo Stephen <step...@...> wrote: > > Lee, > Thanks for the warm welcome. I have only owned my coupe for two weeks, and > it's still in the shop getting a few items fixed that were not well tended to > by the previous owner. But I love it. I saw my first coupe in 1964 at San > Carlos airport north of San Francisco, and fell in love with them > immediately. I feel privileged to be one of the few to care for a coupe. > She's in loving hands. > > Steve > > > On Sep 6, 2010, at 12:12 PM, ercou...@... wrote: > > > Steve, > > No peril here. Most of us are just normal humans. We welcome newcomers > > and their experience. When one can't learn anymore they are educated > > beyound their intelligence. Some folks are normally pessimestic on most > > issues, then there are usens who look toward the favorable and what is in > > the best interest of the group. > > In my humble opinion, there would be no lawsuits and probably no thought in > > that direction by the majority of members of this group. The provision of > > information by any one member for the benefit of all others would just be > > appreciated and used to the best benefit of their aeroplanes. Should > > anyone initiate a lawsuit against some person who tried to help all of us > > and got sued by a base person, I will be(probably one of many) who will > > send a check to support that person in the fight against the low person who > > would initiate such a suit. The data that has been researched was > > accumulated from documents readily available from other sources. It is raw > > data to be used as one see fit and is not provided as a technical document > > just an consolidated data or an instrument of instruction. > > The issue here is a member has done a tremendous amount of work that would > > be very valuable to all members should they be able to acquire said info. > > The person doing the work, did it with the intent of assisting others more > > so than making money. It is my humble opinion that all the data could be > > disseminated without the possibility of any idiotic law suits. That being > > said, there may be some attorneys that can find a reason to sue anyone for > > anything just to get more money. I have seen it here where I live as there > > are some who are willing to sacrifice their integrity (if they have any) > > for a few dollars. > > > > Most of us are here to learn and help each other. We disagree at times, > > but who doesn't? So long as disagreements are kept civil, much is learned > > about the subject and individuals in the disagreement. > > Welcome and tune in anytime. > > > > Lee Browning > > > > > > Well, I'm new to this group so I jump in at my own peril. I just bought my > > first plane, a 1946 Ercoupe, N2601H. I think it was No. 3536 in a > > production run that year of about 4900. I am sure someone will know for > > sure. Anyway, as to liability etc. As a retired journalist I know all to > > well the perils of lawyers and lawsuits. But on the other hand if we cannot > > be open with each other in a forum like this, well, then -- the lawyers win > > and we lose. I think the best parallel is the open source software world.. > > where programmers put their open source software out on the open market for > > anyone to work on, improve and redistribute. It's a powerful way to push > > any subject forward faster than it gets done in modern corporations where > > everyone is covering their backside and lawyers are worried someone is > > going to steal a company secret. > > > > I love this forum. It's already helped me out with several problems.. like > > my perennially leaking carburetor ;-) > > So, there. I've tested the waters. > > Steve Pizzo > > > > > > On Sep 6, 2010, at 9:24 AM, Donald wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Good heavens, is this the same USA I spent 20 years in uniform defending > > our freedoms? > > Heck, now I am not sure I can even READ the bulletins or have a copy in my > > possession, might be in trouble for that even, I did stack them in > > numerical order, probably an offense too. Good grief! > > Is this something that has actually happened somewhere, or just a case of > > dreaming up a frivolous lawsuit? > > > > --- In ercoupe-tech@yahoogroups.com, Ronin Sensei <ronin_sensei@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Risky indeed! Too true. > > > > > > > > > By all means, I'd seriously consider the great legal risks involved with > > > sharing such information and be most circumspect about publishing or > > > releasing it. The potential criminal copyright penalties alone are enough > > > to make one have second thoughts. Infringement, fraudulent registration, > > > fraudulent claims, or misuse of copyright are also serious issues. > > > Claiming copyright on something that somebody else already owns is a big > > > deal. This seems a particularly sensitive risk, since copyrights no > > > longer need be registered to be effective. Whatever is created is > > > automatically under copyright by the FIRST creator. It is hard to tell > > > where one might be in violation by claiming rights on somebody else's > > > property. > > > > > > > > > And then of course, there is the potential for negligence liability, no > > > matter what disclaimers are attempted. You never know who will file suit > > > or criminal charges, especially among Ercoupers. It looks like expensive > > > litigation just waiting to happen. > > > > > > > > > So, selling, or even buying BUYING or otherwise trafficking in such > > > possible contraband could be very risky, I should think. Anybody who > > > touches it might be considered complicit. > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose you might be safe giving it away, but only on the sly. > > > > > > > > > It appears that the only absolutely secure option is to keep this > > > document to yourself. The potential risks of doing otherwise are too > > > terrible to imagine. In fact, you might find it safest not to admit that > > > it even exists. > > > > > > > > > Dave Winters > > > > > > > > > To: ercoupe-tech@yahoogroups.com > > > From: ercouper@ > > > Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 00:32:34 +0000 > > > Subject: Re: [ercoupe-tech] Re: mechanical research [was re: fuel pump > > > bolt tor que] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > You might seriously consider publishing it as a fiction novel and clearly > > > state it is not for use on airplanes. I am not being factious. I would > > > appreciate having such a publications. > > > Lee > > > > > > years ago. Titles of ADs, > > > > Service Bullletins, etc. often are not indicative of other pertinent > > > > information, such as torque values or tightening sequences, rigging > > > > or other information of specific routine maintenance or repair > > > > importance. I recognized the need to be able to look up specific > > > > information in more than one way. Specifically, one can look up the > > > > subject of an AD by AD number, but also find the information therein > > > > by subject or, if it contains a torque value, under "Torque". Nobody > > > > can keep all this in their head, even mechanics who limit their > > > > "practice" to Ercoupes, et. al; and I am confident that even our > > > > "pros" will want to buy a copy once it is complete and current. > > > > > > > > Note that the second entry is one of many reasons that an Ercoupe > > > > owner needs to have, as reference, the Forney Service Manual and > > > > Service Bulletins issued by Forney and Alon that apply to earlier > > > > Ercoupes. Today most of us have the McCauley metal prop and the > > > > Cleveland Wheels and Brakes not covered in the original Ercoupe > > > > Service Manual. Here's an example of the last page: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm in the process of updating it. "Sources" change (such as the > > > > Type Certificates and ADs) or have additions over time. > > > > > > > > I also am undecided as to the wisdom (from a liability standpoint) of > > > > including in my cross-reference information from a Chevelle Service > > > > Manual, obviously NOT an "authoritative" aviation source, that > > > > appears nonetheless pertinent and directly applicable to the proper > > > > installation, maintenance and repair of our fuel transfer > > > > pumps. ;<) Even with the most carefully worded disclaimer, an > > > > author can still be dragged into court and suffer considerable legal > > > > expenses in our society of today. > > > > > > > > WRB > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 2010, at 10:49, Linda Abrams wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thank you, Paul (and the others who wrote off-list)! > > > > > So is finding mechanical answers a matter of reading all of the ADs & > > > > > all of the service manual & all SBs & SMs up front, and then "just" > > > > > remembering whether/where a topic has been addressed? Or is there > > > > > some sort of an index that directs you to all the cumulative written > > > > > sources that apply to each task, or even each system? I know about > > > > > the great photo essays that Hartmut has begun collecting on his > > > > > website, but the number of those is still limited. Has any sort of > > > > > comprehensive written index been created that says something like, > > > > > e.g. "Fuel pump: see pp.___ of X reference, p. ___ of Y reference, > > > > > A.D.s ##___, and SB # _____ ?" > > > > > > > > > > Linda > > > > > > > > > > Paul Anton wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ad 81-07-06 Paragraph (3)e specifies both gaskets are to be > > > > > replaced and > > > > > torque of 30 +- 5 inch pounds > > > > > > > > > > > Pizzo Stephen > > http://www.stephen.pizzo.com > > "Never do anything you don't want to have to explain to the paramedics." > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > 1 Tip for Losing Weight > > Cut down 2 lbs per week by using this 1 weird old tip > > theDietSolutionProgram.com > > > > > > Stephen Pizzo > http://www.stephen.pizzo.com > > Keeping the pot stirred so the scum can't rise to the top. >
