I agree that a single directory will be sufficient. I don't see any added value 
by sticking to the hierarchy we had, now that we removed most of the plain bus 
demos.

I am not too excited about introducing a demo BOM but I can live with it as 
long as the BOM is maintained as part of Errai and not in some other project 
which makes releasing hell ;).

AS7/DevMode: We have to be careful that this still remains testable. 
Arquillian/GWT gives Arquillian full control over container management. The 
Arquillian GWT extension makes sure to deploy everything necessary for the 
execution of a GWTTestCase. The JunitShell is a subclass of DevMode, so as long 
as we are still leveraging the standard GWT configuration options (-server, 
-noServer (for testing)) we should be fine. So, I think we should use this like 
the JettyLauncher in errai-weld-integration.

Christian

On 2013-04-05, at 9:35 AM, Jonathan Fuerth <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 2013-04-04, at 10:22 PM, Lincoln Baxter, III wrote:
> 
>> +1 to demos in a single sub-directory. This is pretty typical with most 
>> projects to have a centralized "examples/" or "showcase/" directory.
>> 
>> Also +1 for import BOM.
>> 
>> Finally +1 for stack POMs. This is what I started with the errai-javaee-all 
>> module. As far as I know it still works. Very helpful if users can pull in a 
>> single dependency and have a working setup on a given container. 
> 
> The 'depchain' idea is something a little different from a BOM or a stack 
> POM. It sits somewhere between: you would still import it (like we do with 
> the JDF BOMs), but it contains actual dependencies (like the errai-javaee-all 
> jar artifact). But because it's imported rather than depended on, it should 
> be able to set certain things to provided scope. In this way, I hope we will 
> be able to blacklist everything provided by the container, while at the same 
> time more faithfully replicating the actual deployment environment (all in 
> provided scope of course). Setting the provided scope 'just so' is something 
> we can't accomplish with a jar-type dependency, nor a BOM in the JDF sense.
> 
> Of course, I'm only assuming this will work. It's something we need to sit 
> down and try. If it works, I think it will simplify our demo and archetype 
> POMs, and also make our DIY getting started experience much easier.
> 
>> I think at this point it is safe to assume Servlet 3.0 API as well and use 
>> web-fragment.xml to do any necessary servlet configurations. 2.5 config can 
>> be documented as things stand now, but 3.0 should be assumed.
> 
> I'm keen to try embedding AS 7/EAP 6 in GWT's dev mode. Dev Mode has a simple 
> SPI for container management, and I'm hoping we can build an adapter to let 
> any Arquillian container connector to be used with Dev Mode.
> 
> If we do that, I vote to up Errai's system requirements to "Servlet 3.0 or 
> better." JSR 315 went final in December 2009. I really think it's just GWT's 
> default embedded Jetty 6 that's blocking us from upgrading to this 3-year-old 
> spec. :-)
> 
> -Jonathan
> 
>> 
>> ~Lincoln
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jonathan Fuerth <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> Pavel asked for feedback today on what he's done so far with the demos on 
>> the 3.0_p branch:
>> 
>>     https://github.com/pslegr/errai/tree/3.0_p/errai-demos
>> 
>> As you can see, there's still a subdirectory for errai-bus. Pavel said his 
>> intention is to keep the separation between bus, cdi, jpa, and so on.
>> 
>> Here's my feedback on what's there so far:
>> 
>> I'm not sure I'm keen on this "separation of demo topics" approach. We're 
>> not planning to keep a ton of demos in the project (we decided that together 
>> in last week's hangout). So I think it would be best to throw all the demo 
>> projects under a single directory.
>> 
>> One other thing that I think is different from what we had planned to do: in 
>> 3.0_p, the bus demos still depend on a parent POM. JDF required demos to 
>> have top-level poms (no reference to a parent), and we were planning to 
>> follow that. We can & should still have an errai-demos pom which refers to 
>> all the demos as submodules, so the demos are built when we build 
>> errai-parent. But we don't want the demo poms pointing back up to that 
>> parent.
>> 
>> I *do* think we should develop a 'depchain' or 'BOM' type pom that can be 
>> imported. These would be useful for demos, archetypes, and anybody's 
>> end-user project. We should probably have a separate depchain for each 
>> appserver we support (as7, eap6, tomcat, jetty). We should design these 
>> depchains so the demo poms are as small as possible (unfortunately, we can't 
>> import plugin configurations, so they will be somewhat larger than what we 
>> have now).
>> 
>> -Jonathan
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